Space Jockey........Engineer or something else?

Started by palerider, Jun 26, 2017, 04:56:42 PM

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SM

It's not a documentary.

The Old One

The Old One

#106
And?

It's uninteresting and nonsensical regardless. Unsuitable for Alien™

SM

And it doesn't need to conform to that actual history of the world.

Whether you find it uninteresting and nonsensical isn't relevant in this particular instance.

Immortan Jonesy

Even if you are determined to relate the concept of the Space Jockeys with the history of the human race:

1. They should have made it more elegant and symbolic like in "2001: A Space Odyssey". So you don't need the whole "ancient aliens created everything and have our same DNA! trope.

2. They (Space Jockeys) doesn't have to be humans, regardless of their relationship with the planet Earth and its inhabitants.

But I agree that this is fiction at the end of the day, and the franchise is not an academic documentary on astrobiology. It's about monsters eating people with some pretentious paraphernalia here and there. In fact, I don't see many scientists serving as consultants for the Alien movies; as in the case of Interstellar by Christopher Nolan where a real physicist advised the writers, despite the transcendental fantasy present in the final story. 

SM

SM

#109

Immortan Jonesy

You killed me with that one!  :laugh: I should have imagined that the neutrino burst didn't come from nothing. Also he likes "The Martian." 8)

But, seriously; that was a nice reading, as usual coming from that site. Thanks for the link.  :)

irn

Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2019, 02:04:35 AM
It's not a documentary.

It's a fiction series but it's grounded in realism. That's what makes it better than other sci-fi franchises in my opinion. It's such a fantasy concept with the ancient aliens thing just that it takes the immersion away from the story. There's already Star Trek or all those comic superhero films for the far out stuff.

At best it could have been handled better by just saying they seeded all life on Earth 4 billion years ago.

The Old One

The Old One

#112
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SM

Quote from: irn on Apr 18, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2019, 02:04:35 AM
It's not a documentary.

It's a fiction series but it's grounded in realism. That's what makes it better than other sci-fi franchises in my opinion. It's such a fantasy concept with the ancient aliens thing just that it takes the immersion away from the story. There's already Star Trek or all those comic superhero films for the far out stuff.

At best it could have been handled better by just saying they seeded all life on Earth 4 billion years ago.

Considering FTL travel, hypersleep, artificial gravity, things-that-should-not-be, everything after the "but" sounds redundant.

Kane's other son

The space jockey was an engineer, unless Ridley Scott or whoever makes the next movie change their mind and turn him into something else.

LastSonofKrypton

He is Space Jesus you fools!!!

SuperiorIronman

Quote from: SM on Apr 18, 2019, 08:23:59 AM
Quote from: irn on Apr 18, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2019, 02:04:35 AM
It's not a documentary.

It's a fiction series but it's grounded in realism. That's what makes it better than other sci-fi franchises in my opinion. It's such a fantasy concept with the ancient aliens thing just that it takes the immersion away from the story. There's already Star Trek or all those comic superhero films for the far out stuff.

At best it could have been handled better by just saying they seeded all life on Earth 4 billion years ago.

Considering FTL travel, hypersleep, artificial gravity, things-that-should-not-be, everything after the "but" sounds redundant.

Yeah but that doesn't excuse creationism.

SiL

It's not creationism. The Engineers aren't literally gods. That was the point.

SuperiorIronman

Quote from: SiL on Apr 23, 2019, 01:35:02 PM
It's not creationism. The Engineers aren't literally gods. That was the point.

Granted, but Shaw and David (mostly David) never waver from that belief. Sure the Engineers aren't literal gods, but in the grand scheme of the story they are. The prequels never deviate from that mindset, they only state that they aren't literal gods. They may not be supernatural beings, but they still fit the requirements of being considered a god to Humanity that despite looking behind the curtain, it matters very little.

SM

Yes.

What's the problem?

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