Quote from: The Old One on Feb 02, 2019, 10:32:08 PM
Well, B does matter because it means for instance in the case of Covenant a lot of people are engendered to consider it legitimate regardless of quality and take it into consideration. Even if they don't like the film.
Whereas if Fox didn't consider it canon, any consideration of it would be much easier to dismiss because it's literally not considered by the license holders.
Alternately, you can ignore what FOX says and do what you want, for reasons I've already stated. No one is "forcing" you to consider anything.
FOX's stance on "canon" is so fluid as to be meaningless on an end-user level. There were dozens of comics and videogames and the like that were "officially canon" for decades, and all of a sudden they're "not canon" (which, when you truly stop and think about the ramifications, means literally nothing). Then FOX said "okay here's the line in the sand where 'official canon' starts", but then Alien Covenant comes out and outright contradicts a bunch of those "officially canon" items, and then releases even more that are extremely likely to be ignored/contradicted if more movies come out. So at best you've got things that are contradictory but still officially canon, or at least a constantly shifting goalpost that makes the concept meaningless.
Quote from: TurokSwe on Feb 02, 2019, 10:38:59 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 02, 2019, 10:18:18 PM
But, as Xenomrph has said- you can't make someone consider, for instance- ACM or Xenogenesis when A. They don't like it. & B. Fox has disregarded both.
Such works are of course not part of the main cinematic canon so it is not a direct issue, yet noting that merely not liking any particular work does not equate to said work being non-canonical (nor does it justify pushing this unto others), but there is nothing wrong with personally ignoring it, as long as you acknowledge that it's not explicitly rejected as officially canonical by refusing to push your decision to ignore said works unto other people (especially if you can't justify your stance).
If you're going by FOX's stance, there aren't canon "tiers". According to them, everything released after 2014's novel 'Alien: Out of the Shadows' is canon, full stop. There has been no indication from FOX that anything outranks anything else, or that one thing can de-canonize another thing.
It's worth pointing out that "canon" and "continuity" are not synonyms, by the way.
Quote from: TurokSwe on Feb 02, 2019, 10:49:54 PM
I see your reasoning. However, I am still confident that I stand on a well-reasoned and well-evidenced foundation (as presented in my OP) which I'm sure many people will agree with, even if reluctantly and silently. Not intending to raise my own opinions over anybody else's, as I'm simply concerned with logical and factual consistency.
Like, that's cool and everything, and it's great that you're acknowledging other people's opinions (there are a lot of people who never reach that stage), but like I said the important part is recognizing when to agree to disagree. You might feel you've got an iron-clad argument for why you think all the movies are/should be "canon", but you will inevitably come across people who say "yeah, nope" for reasons as simple as "I didn't like the movie", and you aren't going to change their minds and they're free to enjoy Aliens and Predators in whatever way makes them happiest.
And for the record, I'm one of those weirdos who considers everything canon, top to bottom. I think there's a place for everything, finding creative ways around apparent contradictions are fun, and I've got a fluid enough approach to continuity that I can enjoy most anything without it disrupting the overarching narrative in my head. The AvP universe is a big place with a lot of cool stuff in it.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2019, 11:02:08 PM
QuoteNot intending to raise my own opinions over anybody else's, as I'm simply concerned with logical and factual consistency.
Your opening statement of "it's clear Fox considers them all canon" is wrong, though. They don't. Everything built on that concept is then unsound.
When it comes to conversations here, just let it be known at the outset what media you want to consider in the discussion. If you want to make a topic that considers all the movies canon to each other -- just say that. You'll get a few jabs of "I hate X movie but ...", but people will generally follow whatever guidelines are set up by the original poster.
Wisdom.