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Started by DoomRulz, Nov 30, 2012, 03:53:46 AM

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kwisatz

kwisatz

#15060
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 01, 2020, 05:06:45 AM
I wonder how the non-Americans here perceive all of this.

Meanwhile in Ja-Land:

Think one of the more important aspects of a high tax country/police state is the change in perspective (perception, assessment and appreciation) when it comes to higher education/career paths and it's localization in society as a whole. For example the study of medicine over here is free like every other study (except for some minor costs for administrative fees etc) so that you don't have to grow up on a yacht to be able to afford it and you certainly don't come out of it with ten thousands of dollars in dept. Of course on the flip side even your first pay check gets cut in half (like everyone elses on this payment level) but it's still pretty high compared to other professions and you know that a good chunk of it is reused to enable others who are just as capable as you were to get the same opportunities.

(We still have some sort of private sector within the medicinal sphere: no player of Bayern Munich enters a regular hospital with his cruciate rupture. There are specialists that get funded with this surplus and so are the more expensive machines; of which proportionately we seem to have more than most other countries in the world except maybe the scandinavians so the system seems to work here.)

Of course other parts of the country are severely underfinanced. Trump (and others before him) has a point when he points his finger at our military budget. Over the past decades we lived comfortably under the wing of the superpower that was and still is the USA. Putin today would cut through Europe like a hot knife through butter (as we did in WW2) although it's obviously uncertain he actually would do so. But he could easily expand his influence if NATO dissolves: and that he certainly would. The thing is: every chancellor who would actually try to change this wouldn't be chancellor for long. The vast majority of the population is pacifistic nowadays and i think considering our past this isn't the worst possible developement. There are certain dynamics in Europe that prevent us from a military buildup anyway and it's not like we're doing nothing (especially not if you add the non-military realm to the equation).

Yea well i dunno... one last thing: Germany is about 80 millions now: the argument that such a more socialized NHS wouldn't be applicable to a 300+ country in the digital age is complete BS in my eyes and reeks of pretextual argument. There are obviously other forces at work here that prevent the US from going down the same path.

Shinawi

Shinawi

#15061
My grandfather and my uncle were doctors. Since I was a kid, I heard that doctors made a lot of money. But I also heard that it was a highly stressful and unhealthy profession. Hence, I chose not to take that career path.

𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯

Quote from: SM on Apr 01, 2020, 08:27:55 AM
I saw some in bottle shop the other day for the first time in forever.  Can't even export it these days.

I feel sorry for you guys. Even if you manage to survive this pandemic you'll still need to deal with all that unexported Foster's afterwards.

Huggs

Huggs

#15063
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2020, 05:33:08 AM
A lot of people get into medicine for the money in Australia. I don't get where the idea that doctors in countries with socialised healthcare aren't well paid comes from.

Doesn't fit a political narrative, I suppose.

Quote from: Shinawi on Apr 01, 2020, 02:57:50 PM
My grandfather and my uncle were doctors. Since I was a kid, I heard that doctors made a lot of money. But I also heard that it was a highly stressful and unhealthy profession. Hence, I chose not to take that career path.

At one point, my entire family worked in healthcare. Almost all of them developed habits like smoking, drinking and abusing painkillers. My last doctor was a chain smoker, and she told me it was because of the stress.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#15064
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 01, 2020, 06:31:07 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2020, 05:33:08 AM
A lot of people get into medicine for the money in Australia. I don't get where the idea that doctors in countries with socialised healthcare aren't well paid comes from.

Doesn't fit a political narrative, I suppose.

Isn't that the argument you were trying to make just a few pages ago?

Quote from: Huggs on Mar 29, 2020, 07:06:59 PMMedical personnel aren't going to go into massive debt and endure years of college plus a lifetime of continuing education all for minimum wage.

So sure, let the government take it over and make things more "reasonable". All that'll lead to is a surge in Art History majors.

???

Huggs

Huggs

#15065
What? That money is indeed the reason many people choose careers in healthcare?

I agree, it is.

And U.S. physicians typically make far more than their counterparts in socialized systems.

Our govt. can't avoid f**king up anything it touches. I don't want it anywhere near my family's healthcare. I saw enough guys screwed by the VA. I saw providers walk, because they are sick and tired of it.

Yes, it would be different here. It would be a disaster.

kwisatz

kwisatz

#15066
Spoiler
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As I think Coppola himself said: Apocalypse Now is not about the 20th century, it is the 20th century.

But this scene is the history of mankind over the past 5000 years.

Huggs

Huggs

#15067
Wasn't it Bernie who saw the VA as a model for government run healthcare. And wasn't he overseeing the VA when the scandal broke?

Hmm.

I think he was. And I seem to remember he took a lot of flak over it. I wouldn't trust him with creating socialized healthcare in this country. Just like I don't trust Trump with the 2nd amendment or to speak during the corona virus response.

Hoorah for the Germans. Our politicians? No, I wouldn't hand them the keys to an old pinto. They could screw up a free lunch.

SM

SM

#15068
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 01, 2020, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 01, 2020, 08:27:55 AM
I saw some in bottle shop the other day for the first time in forever.  Can't even export it these days.

I feel sorry for you guys. Even if you manage to survive this pandemic you'll still need to deal with all that unexported Foster's afterwards.

Might be able to off load it on to some cruise ship sitting off the coast.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#15069
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 01, 2020, 08:39:57 PM
Wasn't it Bernie who saw the VA as a model for government run healthcare.

Given the fact that it's called Medicare for All, I'd imagine that he was using Medicare as the model.  Wait a minute, you're not one of those "keep your goddamn government hands off my Medicare" people are you?


InterAlien

InterAlien

#15070
The VA is a good example of how neoliberal capitalism of the last 40+ years manufactures consent from people into believing the government can't work: corporate lobbyists systemically defund and undermine the program (cause they don't want to pay taxes), then after said program does not work properly, the same lobbyists then run a massive propaganda campaign of deception decrying government/public programs.

It's the same with public education: the same people who have systemically dismantled it financially and administratively for decades are the very same people who are telling you public assistance/government programs simply do not work. And public education is the foundation of democracy - it's no wonder the billionaire/capitalist class wants it destroyed and replaced with private education.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#15071
Everyone can relax now.  Kenneth Copeland just eradicated COVID-19.


Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#15072
Euthenasie der Schwachsinnigen?

kwisatz

kwisatz

#15073
I wouldn't recommend it.

That being said, I probably wouldn't mind a less "invasive" form of intervention of the state.

Immortan Jonesy

Immortan Jonesy

#15074
Ich finde deinen Mangel an Glauben störend.

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