HUBBSQuote from: Hubbs on Jul 16, 2015, 04:36:29 AM
Dude I think you have an over inflated opinion of your posts. I don't believe you have 'proven me wrong' anywhere, neither have I 'proven you wrong' anywhere.
No, I'm going back to the history of our posts. They follow the same pattern, as mentioned in my previous post. Proving you right or wrong - you certainly have nothing solid to back up your arguments. I've posted dry statistics, surveys etc. telling you that non-whites don't get the special treatment as whites, whom always getting an indefinite of second chances & benefit of a doubt, especially when compared to blacks who get little to none. But you don't seem to care or even register that. Your arguments revolve around your idea of how things are and everything else is just ignored, despite reality being stacked against you, but since you claim that you are not a troll you probably don't perceive it that way at all.
Overinflated opinion of my own posts? I might be guilty of that, at least initially. As I said, I have a tendency to sound aggressive and brash when I feel strongly about something, but I also admit when I step over the line. In this case however I don't think there is anything overinflated about it, especially considering the history of discussing the topic race and racism. You're just wrong. Plain and simple.
QuoteI'm not trolling I don't believe, I am posting information and links of what's been happening. Its not just my imagination, or my wild accusations, its all genuine links to which I have offered my opinion.
You post stuff that makes it sound like that white people, especially white western guys, are the biggest victims in modern society and world and that Muslims, immigrants and blacks are to blame for it, which is utter baloney.
Of course there is violence committed by people outside the white western norm - of course! There is crime everywhere and humans are capable of the most horrendous things no matter one's race, religion or nationality. And oppressed and/or discriminated against people, people not fully accepted by society, systemically scrutinized and marginalized, are more desperate, angry or indifferent to human life and will of course commit horrible things if that's the option, especially the worse things are and the more dislodged they feel from rest of society. When statistics and surveys show you that you are indeed a secondhand citizen, and you are a part of the working poor or the chronically unemployed, it is easy to revert to crime etc., especially if authorities and media indirectly try to put the blame on you. I'm not saying that it is more ok for minorities to commit crime, that it should be considered acceptable or that it is excusable. Of course it isn't. It is not excusable, just like police harassment and violence against blacks isn't ok, or overall discrimination against blacks isn't ok.
The biggest problem isn't racist acts between individuals, it's institutional/systemic/structural/societal racism that really is the cancer. It's also incredibly hard to root out since it is a part of our culture, woven into the very filaments of everything. We built our power and grandeur on the benefits of racism, and the same goes for any former colonial or imperial power out there, including the U.K. The last 500 hundred years was a spiraling escalation of organized racism with WWII as its climax. The Nazis distilled and personified the absurdity and evil of racism and since then direct/candid racism has been faced and fought hard whereas we obviously still have a long way to go when it comes to indirect/covert racism.
You're entitled to have your opinion, but when you constantly choose to share your opinion time and time again with little to no nuance, you will sooner or later run into people with an opposite opinion than yours. When they then try to discuss stuff with you and you don't listen, ignore uncomfortable parts of their arguments, or just disappear from the discussion altogether, your intentions will be questioned. Especially if you start all over again posting the same stuff that we just discussed, acting as if you brought something fresh and new to the table, as if the previous discussion never happened. Clean slate. Blacks, immigrants, Muslims & PCness is what is destroying the world...
QuoteYou could easily same the same for the words...'racist/racism, ignorant, bigot, sexist/sexism'. All of these words are literately thrown around like confetti these days by many who clearly have no idea of their actual meaning. Again I go back to this article...
http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/06/jerry-seinfeld-doesnt-play-colleges-says-the-pc-generation-doesnt-understand-racism-and-sexism/
Jerry Seinfeld says it all about youths these days and the trendy fashion of using these words (same for adults too).
I totally agree with you on this one Hubbs. Words with a lot of meaning are being watered down, abused and overused, making those words lose their meaning, which is horrible for obvious reasons. That doesn't mean that there is no such thing as racism, sexism or crippling PCness.
QuoteOh and again, you don't know what political correctness is until you have lived in Europe. The UK is basically run by an organisation in another country that is the epitome of political correctness, the EU. Their entire schtick is political correctness and they don't even pretend to hide it. If you're an immigrant, illegal or otherwise, then you can't go wrong, you virtually have free reign. This is why Europe is in crisis right now, if you read the news for us, we are all getting seriously pissed off with the EU (especially Italy and Hungary).
Maybe you're right maybe you aren't - I don't live in the U.K. so I don't know what its like there. But the way you talk about immigrants being more privileged than ethnical Englishmen and Europeans makes me think that there is more to it...
I have European friends and my stepbrother lives in Sweden, and what they're saying is that hidden racism in Europe is rampant, which clashes hard with any attempt of trying to make it easier for immigrants to fit in and become a part of society. They also say that immigration policies have the right intention so to speak but have been executed and enforced in a very, very clumsy way. Very flawed and full of loopholes, which makes it easy for xenophobes and right-wing populists, like the ones in Italy and Hungary, to swoop in and gain traction, which is so destructive and disgusting.
QuoteOh you think I'm exaggerating? take a look at this...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3161129/Hungary-country-shut-doors-migrants-Syrian-family-one-enter-illegally-country-begins-erecting-100-mile-long-fence-borders.html
I feel sick...
QuoteEagle, I see you live in California. I really find it hard to imagine you would have any clue about any of this seeing as CA is well known to be one of the nicest, wealthiest, most open, liberal and diverse States in the US (so we are all led to believe anyway).
I grew up in the Bronx (NY), in a predominantly African-American neighborhood and I've been living in mostly poor and working class to lower middle-class neighborhoods, mostly in Brooklyn, till I moved to Oakland and then SF (CA) over two years ago. SF & the Bay Area is quickly turning into one of the most expensive, unequal and segregated parts of the U.S. due to the tax cuts and special benefits for tech companies and their employees, greedy landlords and extreme rent hikes (i.e. extreme gentrification). It's socially liberal still, but economically it is getting more and more conservative. The African-american (black) population in dwindling FAST and is only making up 6% of the whole Bay Area, whereas the white population has risen from 35% to 52%, meanwhile the Latino and Asian populations are diminishing as well, especially the Latino/Hispanic.
California is indeed wealthy, openminded and has huge resources, but it also has really conservative or/and clueless corporations and politicians making sure that that wealth doesn't leave their pockets. Mayor Lee, who is a Democrat btw, almost single handedly turned SF, and as an extension the whole Bay Area, into a playground for the newly rich hordes from Silicon Valley. The working class / working poor are getting poorer and are moving away in droves, same goes for the middle-class, leaving the bottom and the top of society behind, resulting in even more segregation and crime, leading to the death of what used to be one of the most amazing cities in the world. A lot of people say that if things don't stop SF will turn into another Detroit.
