Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 15, 2013, 05:47:05 AM
Not arguing whether racism is real or not. It is. However I disagree racism existed in this altercation. Trayvon got shot because he beat the shit out of Zimmerman. At the end of the day Zimmerman called 911 and was told to stand down. As far as the evidence shows he did cease his purist. Trayvon upon noticing Zimmerman responded by assaulting him on his own accord. Regardless of the reasons you aren't allowed to seek revenge nor are you allowed to just beat someone up. In this case trayvon had the overwhelming advantage over the weaker Zimmerman. In the eyes of the law it is self-defense.
No one is saying that Trayvon Martin was a saint. Martin's response to Zimmerman's more than provocative and offensive act was not ok, but it doesn't make it ok to shoot and kill him. That's just bullshit! I mean, if Martin looked as dangerous and scary as Zimmerman claims, then Zimmerman must have known that pursuing Martin might end in foul play. Ad to the equation that Zimmerman was armed, i.e. having the upper hand if it had to come to
that, and Zimmerman's "self-defense" claim is just ass-backwards. Zimmerman started a fight, got his ass kicked and then shot and killed the person. End of story. Not self-defense.
QuoteBoth 2nd degree murder and manslaughter were wholly unprovable. Zimmerman was not out to murder Trayvon. Even negligent homicide was unprovable. Under the law the best they could go for was felony assault.
It was totally manslaughter - it's just beyond obvious. It boggles my mind. But then on the other hand Florida boggles my mind.
QuoteStill there is civil court to pursue. Making this a civil rights case is not likely.
I doubt it as well.
I personally don't think that Zimmerman had a racist agenda, but I do believe that he acted on racial stereotypes of young black men. I'm not calling him racist though. I'm just saying that for whatever reason he felt that he had to confront this teenager. And he did it armed.
To me Zimmerman's 'actions' (i.e.
crime) has even more to do with
GUN CONTROL than it has to do with racism. The outcome of this trial gives a huge advantage to the pro-gun lobby, legitimizing gun owners to take law into their own hands. Not only at home but also on the street. Gives gun owners even more special treatment and entitlements than before.
The verdict of the Zimmerman trial tells us that it is ok to pick a fight with people not of your liking and then shoot them dead if they have the audacity to fight back.
Quote from: Cal427eb on Jul 15, 2013, 06:54:39 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 15, 2013, 05:54:02 AM
I have one thing to say about the Zimmerman case. Here's my status update from Facebook.
QuoteSo the Zimmerman trial is over. Can we all move on with our lives and find something actually worth worrying about? Seriously, this has practically become the O.J. Simpson case of the 2000s.
I'm sorry, but this case really isn't all that important on a global scale. To American citizens, yes, I can sympathize but for the world it seems to freak out the way it did is a bit much.
No, you have a point and I agree with you. Time to move on. This case never should have gotten as much attention as it did in the first place.
I didn't know that this was big news outside of the U.S.
It is big news here in the U.S. and his huge consequences, just like I pointed out in my reply above:
"To me Zimmerman's 'actions' (i.e. crime) has even more to do with GUN CONTROL than it has to do with racism. The outcome of this trial gives a huge advantage to the pro-gun lobby, legitimizing gun owners to take law into their own hands whenever they feel like it. Not only at home but also on the street. Gives gun owners even more special treatment and entitlements than before.
The verdict of the Zimmerman trial tells us that it is ok to pick a fight with people not of your liking and then shoot them dead if they have the audacity to fight back."It's deeply disturbing.
