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[Crazy Rich]

I'm strictly going off of what I remember, it was something I read a few years ago and I haven't been able to find it again for whenever the subject arose again afterwards.

[Kimarhi]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/kentucky-shooting_n_3189828.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

Note to all UK parents, give your 5yr old children rifles for gifts.

Thats my home state.  And I was handling guns when I was about 7 or 8.  The difference is if I'd have been caught handling it like it was a toy I'd have had my ass wooped.  Likewise the only time I really took the .22 out was to shoot it.  The rest of the time it stayed locked up with the bolt open so when you got it out you already knew it was unloaded.

I wouldn't mind an age restriction on guns though to be honest.  So many people do treat them like toys and have no respect for them and typically you mature as you get older. 

"Never point your weapon at anything your unwilling to destroy," should apply to everyone who owns a weapon.  Not just people in the military.

No offence but you Americans are nuts, completely fudging insane, the end.

Insane, and not easily pacified.

The reason people are so up in arms for it isn't the fact that it would take away home defense, its because it would get rid of the right to organize a militia.  Given how successful militias were in every one of our home wars, people are a little worried when somebody in power wants to get rid of or drastically change the 2nd amendment.

I can speak from a military perspective.  The only chance a civilian resistance would have to a Big Brother like movement would be if they could keep their AR15 and AR10.  Pistols and shotguns would do jack shit.  Assault rifles designed to kill are zeroed at 300 meters (and can shoot much further than that).  A pistol and a shotgun are going to have half that distance.  For the aggressor, that would be the equivalant of shooting fish in a barrel. 

From a home security standpoint if you got rid of weapons then you'd still be in trouble because then America's gun history would be a huge problem. Because no criminal is going to turn his weapons in, whereas law abiding citizens would.  Look at Chicago.  Some of the toughest gun laws in the nation.  Also the highest violent crime rate in the nation because the criminals have no fear of any homeowners.

Its not as easy as waving a magic wand and making stuff go away. Despite what some nations who've already been curbed by their government thinks.

[SM]

It's not so much as being easy as being utterly impossible.

[Cal427eb]

You have kids shooting each other with rifles that the parents give to them as gifts! yet still no one really wants to actually properly do anything about it. Quite happy to put if off and pretend everything is OK because end of the day, guns are more important to the American way than anything else...it seems.

You can't dredge up old history like the Ripper or the odd nasty incident to compare, every country has stuff from time to time, but Americans refuse to do anything about the constant horrendous incidents they keep having on a monthly basis.

Plus now you guys are making guns from 3D printers  as if you don't have enough gun trouble jesus.

lol.

[SpreadEagleBeagle]

Insane, and not easily pacified.

That's what we like to believe.

The reason people are so up in arms for it isn't the fact that it would take away home defense, its because it would get rid of the right to organize a militia.  Given how successful militias were in every one of our home wars, people are a little worried when somebody in power wants to get rid of or drastically change the 2nd amendment.

But no one (in power) is really trying to get rid of the 2nd amendment (...because no one dares too since the NRA has made sure it is to be considered the holiest and most important amendment of them all...), and the only ones who have drastically changed it (i.e. how the amendment should be interpreted) is the NRA, which btw houses one of our nation's finest of dingbat super crazies - Wayne LaPierre. The stuff he says! Jebus...

I can speak from a military perspective.  The only chance a civilian resistance would have to a Big Brother like movement would be if they could keep their AR15 and AR10.  Pistols and shotguns would do jack shit.  Assault rifles designed to kill are zeroed at 300 meters (and can shoot much further than that).  A pistol and a shotgun are going to have half that distance.  For the aggressor, that would be the equivalant of shooting fish in a barrel.

This scenario is so ridiculous and has so many flaws and is so arcane, but let's pretend for a second; let's say our draconian shadow government and its reptilian president aka evil Socialist Muslim Kenyan emperor Hussein decide to go truly rouge full force on upstanding (2nd) amendment abiding good citizens in our country, do you really think a well organized militia would stand a chance against drones, tanks, fighter jets, chemical weapons etc.?

From a home security standpoint if you got rid of weapons then you'd still be in trouble because then America's gun history would be a huge problem. Because no criminal is going to turn his weapons in, whereas law abiding citizens would.  Look at Chicago.  Some of the toughest gun laws in the nation.  Also the highest violent crime rate in the nation because the criminals have no fear of any homeowners.

So more guns is the solution? Such a sad and cynical way to not really deal with the problem. Fight fear with fear.

Why not give the police and the communities more resources, invest in the people, deal with poverty and make education affordable, which is all possible if we stop cuddling with lobbyists and big money interests (...which directly includes the NRA).

Its not as easy as waving a magic wand and making stuff go away.

Unfortunately that is true.

Despite what some nations who've already been curbed by their government thinks.

I wouldn't mind being "curbed".

[Kimarhi]

That's what we like to believe.

Its the truth.

But no one (in power) is really trying to get rid of the 2nd amendment (...because no one dares too since the NRA has made sure it is to be considered the holiest and most important amendment of them all...), and the only ones who have drastically changed it (i.e. how the amendment should be interpreted) is the NRA, which btw houses one of our nation's finest of dingbat super crazies - Wayne LaPierre. The stuff he says! Jebus...

LOL.  The only power the NRA has is pure propaganda.  The only thing they can do is whip the far right into a frenzy about gun laws.  You won't see me wearing or sporting anything by the NRA.  They help people keep their weapons true, but they also damage us law abiding gun owners that have never had legal issues with our weapons by the way they try to portray themselves (and all gun owners).

This scenario is so ridiculous and has so many flaws and is so arcane, but let's pretend for a second; let's say our draconian shadow government and its reptilian president aka evil Socialist Muslim Kenyan emperor Hussein decide to go truly rouge full force on upstanding (2nd) amendment abiding good citizens in our country, do you really think a well organized militia would stand a chance against drones, tanks, fighter jets, chemical weapons etc.?

I dunno, seems to work pretty well for the Taliban and Al Qaeda doesn't it?  Politics protects those doucebags, and politics would protect resistance fighters on the motherland.  It isn't exactly a good idea to win support by killing a few resistance fighters in a city with nukes or mustard gas.  C'mon.   If you don't have any concept of guerilla warfare, don't come at me with what is and isn't ridiculous.  Your also talking about a military that would be significantly overwhelmed by a huge civilian population and a military whose majority wouldn't turn on its civilian population.  Maybe some of the brainwashed active duty 18 or 19 year olds, but I can almost guarentee the National Guard and Reserves would be much more wary of joining a movement that would destroy the communties they serve to protect.

So more guns is the solution? Such a sad and cynical way to not really deal with the problem. Fight fear with fear.

Why not give the police and the communities more resources, invest in the people, deal with poverty and make education affordable, which is all possible if we stop cuddling with lobbyists and big money interests (...which directly includes the NRA).

That would be nice.  But it requires money.  Why are there only 4,000 police officers in Detroit?  Because the city is almost bankrupt and thats how much they can afford.  There are places in Detroit and Chicago where the Police do not go.  Period.

I wouldn't mind being "curbed".

Live life on your knees then.

[SpreadEagleBeagle]

Its the truth.

Let's agree to disagree on that one then...

LOL.  The only power the NRA has is pure propaganda.  The only thing they can do is whip the far right into a frenzy about gun laws.  You won't see me wearing or sporting anything by the NRA.  They help people keep their weapons true, but they also damage us law abiding gun owners that have never had legal issues with our weapons by the way they try to portray themselves (and all gun owners).

Which must suck for law abiding gun owners such as yourself.

NRA has more power than that though. They make so much money for weapon manufacturers it's laughable.

I dunno, seems to work pretty well for the Taliban and Al Qaeda doesn't it?  Politics protects those doucebags, and politics would protect resistance fighters on the motherland.  It isn't exactly a good idea to win support by killing a few resistance fighters in a city with nukes or mustard gas.  C'mon.   If you don't have any concept of guerilla warfare, don't come at me with what is and isn't ridiculous.  Your also talking about a military that would be significantly overwhelmed by a huge civilian population and a military whose majority wouldn't turn on its civilian population.  Maybe some of the brainwashed active duty 18 or 19 year olds, but I can almost guarentee the National Guard and Reserves would be much more wary of joining a movement that would destroy the communties they serve to protect.

So what is this scenario we're talking about here then? I know what I wrote was over the top because the whole idea of the government going Big Brother on us like that seems incredibly far-fetched right now. The measures taken depends a lot on the scenario.

On a side note: Drones.

That would be nice.  But it requires money.  Why are there only 4,000 police officers in Detroit?  Because the city is almost bankrupt and thats how much they can afford.  There are places in Detroit and Chicago where the Police do not go.  Period.

And that's what is so sad. It's a tragedy actually... and then you got NRA nutters at the same time advocating arming everyone as the solution for everything, wasting enormous amounts of money on vicious lobbying, just like way too many corporations and other big money interest groups do, making sure that their interests are taken care of no matter the cost, even at the expense of the rest of the people. And then things go haywire, people are killed somewhere and politicians behave like there is nothing they could've done to prevent it and that the best way to solve whatever problem is at hand is to take the "easy" way out, which is always a populist, intolerant, reactionary and simplistic take on "reality", followed by looking the other way hoping that it all will blow over soon so the cycle can continue.

Live life on your knees then.

I really don't see it that way. Never in my life I felt like I really needed gun and never did I feel deprived as a citizen for not owning one, and I lived in a pretty rough neighborhood for a couple of years. What always have made me feel uneasy though is that there are armed people out there who are actually willing to use that gun, be it to commit a crime or to take the law in his/her own hands.

[Rick Grimes]

It's terrible to know that our education has come to this. Especially when it involves Science and Religion to this extent of absurdity.






http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/sciencetest.asp

[Kimarhi]

@Eagle. 

I'm somewhere in between on the whole mess.  I'm not pro gun just because I can be pro gun.  I don't consider myself paranoid, I don't have a bunker in the woods with supplies and generators waiting for the end.  But I can see where those guys are coming from when there is constant talk of changing an amendment to the constitution.  More patriot act esque bullshit is constantly being pushed on the table (SOFA, CISPA) and the Obama administration buys a redonkulous amount of ammo not for the military, but for homeland defense.  As well as gives those guys MRAPS etc.  What the hell does Homeland Defense and FEMA need with MRAPS and other military grade hardware?

I don't think Obama is a Reptilian.  I think he's setting the table for the Reptilians somewhere down the line.

Also, everything military even a single 5.56mm round is dangerous.  It isn't like a movie, a firefight across the street could cut through your house and hit you as you exited the backdoor trying to run away.  Drones are notorious for their excessiveness.  Good at taking out badguys. And their families.  And thats propaganda for whatever side they are being used against. 

[[cancerblack]]

It's terrible to know that our education has come to this. Especially when it involves Science and Religion to this extent of absurdity.


http://www.snopes.com/graphics/quiz2.jpg



http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/sciencetest.asp

AMERICA! f**k YEAH!

Not to rag on any American posters here (you seem to be a clever bunch by and large), but this IS how the rest of the world sees the United States.

[Nightlord]

It's terrible to know that our education has come to this. Especially when it involves Science and Religion to this extent of absurdity.


http://www.snopes.com/graphics/quiz2.jpg



http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/sciencetest.asp

Damn that'd be one nice test to get, you can basically make up any answers you want.

[DoomRulz]

It's terrible to know that our education has come to this. Especially when it involves Science and Religion to this extent of absurdity.


http://www.snopes.com/graphics/quiz2.jpg



http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/sciencetest.asp

AMERICA! f**k YEAH!

Not to rag on any American posters here (you seem to be a clever bunch by and large), but this IS how the rest of the world sees the United States.

Because that's the side of America mass media focuses on, or at least, is spread throughout the web. If less of that crap received attention, things would be different.

[Kimarhi]

It was always my choice to believe whatever I wanted to believe. 

[ScardyFox]

Oh Eagle, I see you're dwelling into the realm of crazy again...

[ChrisPachi]

I don't consider myself paranoid

That's good.

...the Obama administration buys a redonkulous amount of ammo not for the military, but for homeland defense. [..] What the hell does Homeland Defense and FEMA need with MRAPS and other military grade hardware?

Um...

I don't think Obama is a Reptilian.  I think he's setting the table for the Reptilians somewhere down the line.

If you weren't paranoid and/or a gun nut you wouldn't care about gun control. You don't need them. Let it go.