Quote from: zoidy on May 29, 2012, 10:34:07 PM
Quote from: GreatKnower on May 29, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
Though Ridley shares the blame for allowing it, Lindelof is what screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully they will stop hiring him now. Its just a shame we had to sacrifice Alien/Prometheus to get it done.
Why is any of this the (co)writer's fault? Co-writer with the Director. The Director who is in complete creative charge of the project, hired the writers to help HIM, and had a number of writers write multiple iterations until HE was happy with it.
And of course you might find that you enjoy the film once you've seen it.
No this is not what happened. Spaights wrote a screenplay and pitched it to ridley, ridley liked it and pitched it to Fox. After some rewrites and focus points, Fox approved and brought in Lindelof to replace Spaights. Lindelof rewrote the entire thing and convinced Ridley his way was the way to go. Im sure Ridley pushed back on some things, but obviously not enough.
Everything that is being said about the vagueness, story, characters, and lack of cohesion is the same comments that have been made about everything Lindelof has written and got produced,
everything. Ridley and Lindelof are also Producers on Prometheus so they actually have more say in what goes in or not, and some say in the budgeting process and ownership over anything new they create. Ridley does not own Alien rights, but he does Prometheus'. Co-writer is a Huge misnomer, he rewrote Spaights draft several times and what we get on the screen is what Lindelof wrote, the only thing left from Spaights is the Premise, thats it, everything else is Lindelof's pen and Ridley's misguided trust in the guy. Im sure Fox told him "this guy is the new hotness. He'll generate Questions."(Yeah, that's all he'll generate) and Ridley has to trust that, otherwise Lindelof would have never been brought in (no need for him). Ridley can only be as good as the ideas presented to him other than his own. If this MiB/Smoke Monster Wannabe has been feeding him nonsense, well there you have it. Ridley directed what Lindelof WROTE.
They literally own this and the mess up is theirs, in a greater sense than just a director making a bad movie. They cant blame fox or the other execs/producers.....They are Producers. I just focus on Lindelof because he continues to do this on every project he is on. You would think after knowingly being a hack, and being called out for it, even if you never ADMITTED to it, you would atleast TRY to improve and silence the doubters. Make your masterpiece....do all the things they said you couldn't get right. He doesn't, He just replies "i wrote it perfect" then goes on to write his next tragedy, mangling someone else's work and art. Its not about personal beef or jealousy. Its about how so many of us can do so much more..care so much more..but most of us will not get the same opportunities to shine, and if we did, we certainly wouldn't take it for granted. Yeah we better be getting PAID for it but trust me, we would be investing our souls and spirit into the work. Instead they hire him and we get medicore, spit in your face everything.
Ridley has atleast made some masterpieces before and has a unique vision of his own. Its obvious the "plan" was to create Ridley's "Star Wars" but they didnt do "a new hope" they did "Luke Starkiller"
Lindelof's lack of respect for the material and solidity of the artform might end up costing them this great opportunity.
Im not a hater believe me, ill go see the movie and enjoy the experience, but it most likely wont be what Ridley could have accomplished without this epeen of a writer/producer. They'll get my ticket money, and that's all that matter's right? Hell No. Never.
Its about RESPECT, SPIRIT, and OPPORTUNITY
