Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 10:24:54 PM
I don't get why people are posting about them using kids for perspective, i mean yes they did but they weren't supposed to be kids in the actual film!, they were supposed to be adults. Also the jockey still looks huge when we see Dallas checking it out, the Prometheus jockey just looks like a tall man, the sheer bulk of the ALIEN jockey isn't there.
The point is (I'm repeating myself now) that it essentially screws up the consistency of the jockeys size within the same scene in the film. We don't have a problem with that - not at all. It just underlines that Ridley & co never established a definitive size for the jockey, judging by the visuals.
Kids
http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/space-jockey-in-ridley-scotts-alien.jpg
Actors
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111208192216/avp/images/a/a9/Space-jockey-alien-2_1199468838_640w.jpg
That's a distinctive size difference when you've seen it +10 times, but nobody minds. The trick works fine - the jockey is still huge. And that'll be the last I'll say about this...
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kt09gyXHvv1qzexpio1_500.jpg
CASE CLOSED!.
in this photo, this really emphasis the case doesnt it? the head of the jockey (from the elongated view) looks near the size of gigers torso. and the jockey's arm doesnt look far off from being the same length as a human its self.
all the practical reasons for the sake of the film working, to make the jockey smaller, are understandable. i accept the reasons to some extent for changes, not entirely though, many instances in films, cinematography helped hide things or change perception, e.g. brad pitt is shorter than edward norton in real life, by a couple inches at least, but in the film brad pit always appears the same height or taller. i dont think so much of the original jockey's impressions shoudlve been sacrificed. if James cameron could pull off a queen alien that is bigger than the jockey with puppets, if the alien franchise could pull off aliens that didn't talk, (and there is always the alternative to the creatures having their own language.. subtitles..) then i dont believe the sacrifices would have to be this severe.
the very reasons to make prometheus a practical film to make, are the same ones that at least in my mind, destroy to some degree, the original alien feel and impression from the original. a shame.. but not a reason to stop prometheus being a good film. and will glady make it clear again - i look forward to prometheus a lot, and confident i will like it. i already feel i will buy it on home video straight away.. but because its already established as a loose connected prequel to alien, it inevitably isn't an independent title, and has to be compared and considered with the original. when we start doing that, thats where prometheus legs that it stands on, feel Brittle already. and we haven't even seen it yet, so it could be explain and be a bit better, or it could get even worse.
its annoyingly clear that people reach very very desperately out some 'work around' excuses for these differences, i mean if were going to think up some work around ideas (which im definitely not against) lets atleast think of some good ones that are believable. so many things in life are possible, but reaching at what is possible is silly when were trying to establish sense/logic/and reasoning.
the excuse that its a different ship, and different jockey is just pure Reaching in my eyes. take a look at that chair, does that look like something that is built in various sizes? come on..
are we able to reach at the excuse that some humans are apparently 20 foot tall in prometheus when comparing their size to the jockey in prometheus?
while talking about this i'v also began to speculate that maybe even the 'juggernaught' ship its self is not the same size as the one in alien.