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[HappyAlien]

It's good for quick references though.

Fair enough if you don't mind inaccurate data. Just depends on what you're looking for.

The defiant destroyed more enemy ships in the last 2 seasons of DS9 than the Enterprise D did in seven seasons of TNG.
Since it was about 1/20th the size of the Galaxy class couldn't they have built tonnes of them. The Defiant ate up Birds of Prey and Dominion Attack ships like the Falcon ate up Tie Fighters!

Different scenarios. DS9 is set in war, STNG is not. That said the Galaxy class is a superior vessel is every aspect but far more resource intensive. She's a pocket battleship. Small but tough. Her small frame is detrimental though in a long fight. Although her hull is super thick (two foot), because she is so small its much easier to get to primary systems and thusly put her down that much easier. Evident when she fought an upgraded and aging Lakota class starship.

Imagine if they had made a defiant class type ship but only bigger maybe twice the size of the Defiant or even bigger  maybe about half the size of a galaxy class ship that would be something to scare the other mnajor powers in the area. Plus no bloody families on board!

Starfleet isn't in the business of war. Soooooooo, yeah

Starfleet should have learnt from the Klingons, Romulans, Borg and other races that have tried to destroy them. Instead of building all these science vessels and exploring ships. They were lucky that the rest of the Dominion was trapped on the other side of the wormhole because they were getting their asses kicked by a Dominion Expeditionary force before the Romulans joined in.

I still can't fathom how a Federation (allied with Klingons) with hundreds of billions of citizens and thousands of planets can be slower at producing new ships and troops than the Dominion force trapped in Cardasian space. Where did all those Dominion factories come from. Imagine how quickly it would have enede if the Wormhole wasnt's mined or closed.

Too many federation ships were cannon fodder against the Dominion and a Galaxy class ship was pretty easily destroyed by a couple of those small dominion attack ships. Also in TNG the enterprise D seemed to run anto a random enemy ship every three to four episodes that was a match for it or even more powerful. The Federation always acted so weak in TNG. Loved how they got tougher in DS9 how sisko did underhanded things to win the war and the introduction of Section 31 (hope they are in the new movie!)

[ScardyFox]

Starfleet should have learnt from the Klingons, Romulans, Borg and other races that have tried to destroy them. Instead of building all these science vessels and exploring ships. They were lucky that the rest of the Dominion was trapped on the other side of the wormhole because they were getting their asses kicked by a Dominion Expeditionary force before the Romulans joined in.

The Klingons could not match the Federation nor could the Romulans. The Romulans in particular, if they felt they could have overthrown the Federation (for brevity sake) would have taken that opportunity if it was so easy. The Federation wasn't weak by any means. That said you have to keep in mind as well the Federation had just came out of a 20 year war with the Cardasians along with another species I can't spell. (I'll look it up if you need to). Fact is, the Federation was the most powerful entity in the Alpha quadrant even after all that.

As for the Borg that hardly counts. Who can prepare for the Borg unless you totally defang them like the writers of Voyager did.

I still can't fathom how a Federation (allied with Klingons) with hundreds of billions of citizens and thousands of planets can be slower at producing new ships and troops than the Dominion force trapped in Cardasian space. Where did all those Dominion factories come from. Imagine how quickly it would have enede if the Wormhole wasnt's mined or closed.

The Dominion is an army of clones that have been in the business of war, conquering and policing their empire for 2000 years. It fits they have this way of life down to a T.

Too many federation ships were cannon fodder against the Dominion and a Galaxy class ship was pretty easily destroyed by a couple of those small dominion attack ships. Also in TNG the enterprise D seemed to run anto a random enemy ship every three to four episodes that was a match for it or even more powerful. The Federation always acted so weak in TNG. Loved how they got tougher in DS9 how sisko did underhanded things to win the war and the introduction of Section 31 (hope they are in the new movie!)

Easily destroyed? In what instance? I have never seen a Galaxy class starship easily destroyed except for the ultimate example of PiS when Ricker suddenly became retarded in Generations. As for other ships being cannon fodder that is true to an extent. Many ships in battle were 100 year old ships that had no place being on the front line. That said, given the circumstances they had no choice.

[HappyAlien]

In an epsiode of Deep Space 9 a small dominion ship just rammed a galaxy class ship and destroyed it. The point is the Federation could have been better prepared for the Dominion and had more warships instead of science vessels.
Lucky they had Sisko, Section 31 and the prophets!

[ScardyFox]

In an epsiode of Deep Space 9 a small dominion ship just rammed a galaxy class ship and destroyed it. The point is the Federation could have been better prepared for the Dominion and had more warships instead of science vessels.
Lucky they had Sisko, Section 31 and the prophets!

You mean where it sustained fire for 10 minutes from 3 bug ships (on screen so it could have actually been more) with no shields, staying in the fire fight (before the Federation figured out how to counteract Dominion shield technology) and was able to head home before being rammed? As for the ramming, that also illustrated how much incredible fortitude the Galaxy class had. Other instances of Dominion ships ramming vessels Klingon vessels like BoP get totally obliterated and ships as large and armored as Vor Cha class get split in half like a machete hitting a watermelon.

When the Oddesy is hit she takes a death blow to the engineering section. But before shes blows and you look at the damage, very little of the ship is destroyed in comparison to what happens to Klingon ships as big as Vor Cha's. Again, showing just how well built the superstructure is of the Galaxy class.

As for better prepared how much better prepared can you be for a sneak attack when you are the most dominant power in the Alpha quadrant when your mission parameters are discovery?

[ace3g]

JJ Abrams is on Conan tonight and while he couldn't bring a full clip, he did bring 3 frames of a clip; he usually post the segments on his YT show later on so I can get a better screen cap without the play symbol and in HD, this was through his main site with another video player.

JJ said "without going into details Spock is in a volcano"

[Rick Grimes]

I kept hitting that play button thinking it will show the clip.

[Feral_PRED]

I kept hitting that play button thinking it will show the clip.

I did exactly the same thing. 

[Njm1983]

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Current version is about 6 months old but newer version is in the works.

[ScardyFox]

Www.ditl.org

Never seen this site before but its really pretty damn bad. Really really bad.

[DoomRulz]

As for the Borg that hardly counts. Who can prepare for the Borg unless you totally defang them like the writers of Voyager did.

Species 8472

[AvatarIII]

As for the Borg that hardly counts. Who can prepare for the Borg unless you totally defang them like the writers of Voyager did.

Species 8472

I think they come under the "defanged by Voyager" argument

[ScardyFox]

As for the Borg that hardly counts. Who can prepare for the Borg unless you totally defang them like the writers of Voyager did.

Species 8472

I think they come under the "defanged by Voyager" argument

BINGO

[AvatarIII]

the problem with Star Trek is that it is inherently optimistic by design and intent. You can't bring in a species like The Borg, and not eventually be forced to find a way to defeat them, since they are impossible to reason with.

[ScardyFox]

Well, yes and no. Yes in the sense you're talking about - no in the sense of they should have remained the juggernaut of the universe that you never know when is going to come stomping and romping the block. Rather, VOY used them as a creature of the week and changed them from the monolithic force into a "meh" alien for a cheap thrill to push the show along.

It backfired in a big way. Even (most)VOY fans don't like what they did with the borg.

[AvatarIII]

the thing is, once the Borg knew the Federation existed, why would they ever stop trying to assimilate them? they were a great addition to the series, but had they not been nerfed, the entire Trek Universe would have every non-Borg species just putting all their resources into hiding from, and surviving the Borg.

to be honest, i think the Borg mentality was used much better in Stargate with the Replicators.