Poll: AvP vs AvPR

[SM]

Yeah.  But I'd stop at "looks expensive".  Which it did.  Every other aspect was somewhere between meh and stupid.

[StrangeShape]

I think it also had a very good concept for a story of an expedition of people going to such remote and hostile place like Antarctica, and there being trapped underground in a pyramid with aliens and a queen. I like that. AND as I often say, it had an admirable attempt at buildup and didnt show a thing until 40m minutes into the movie if not more

[SM]

The idea of putting it somewhere out of the way was a good one.  But like nearly everything the execution was lacking.

And the build up with boring characters and no tension is a waste of time.

[Sharp Sticks]

AVP was the worst adaptation of At The Mountains of Madness readily concievable, and I'll leave it at that.

[SM]

At The Little Island (That's Supposedly Near Antarctica But Not Really) Of Mild Annoyance.

[StrangeShape]

The idea of putting it somewhere out of the way was a good one.  But like nearly everything the execution was lacking.

And the build up with boring characters and no tension is a waste of time.

Thats why I said admirable attempt. Overall I had fun watching it in theaters and I was into it untill a certain point of the movie. I think the first AVP is passable, but it changes into cartoon once Grid and Celtic start to fight, but before that it had its moments and as I said, I dig the whole expedition to Antarctica concept, then theres Lance and stuff from the first AVP comic which I really like and it follows a formula of the first 2 alien movies - long buildup, the setting turns into dust by the end, double ending

[SM]

Problem is it barely qualfies as an attempt.

Anderson just said 'Alright, nothing really happens in Alien and Aliens until at least the 45 minute mark, so that's what I'll do'.  Problem was he neglected what was actually going on in Alien and Aliens before they kick into gear.  Relationships are established and tension and mystery are created.  In AvP, we find out Weyland is a (mostly) ruthless rich dude, Lex is an OH&S nazi, Exposition Boy is Exposition Boy, Miller is a socially retarded dweeb, and the drillers are obnoxious bullies.  Everything they say to each other has little or no consequence, and the constant cutaways to the Alien Queen and Predators remove any sort of mystery and tension.

It not miles away from JPJ studying the cutting in Hollywood action films when preparing for Resurrection instead of saying "Maybe theres a bit too much yacking and not enough Aliens in some of these scenes".

[DoomRulz]

Problem is it barely qualfies as an attempt.

Anderson just said 'Alright, nothing really happens in Alien and Aliens until at least the 45 minute mark, so that's what I'll do'.  Problem was he neglected what was actually going on in Alien and Aliens before they kick into gear.  Relationships are established and tension and mystery are created.  In AvP, we find out Weyland is a (mostly) ruthless rich dude, Lex is an OH&S nazi, Exposition Boy is Exposition Boy, Miller is a socially retarded dweeb, and the drillers are obnoxious bullies.  Everything they say to each other has little or no consequence, and the constant cutaways to the Alien Queen and Predators remove any sort of mystery and tension.

It not miles away from JPJ studying the cutting in Hollywood action films when preparing for Resurrection instead of saying "Maybe theres a bit too much yacking and not enough Aliens in some of these scenes".

Why would you label Weyland as ruthless? He wasn't a vicious person.

[Valaquen]

Problem is it barely qualfies as an attempt.

Anderson just said 'Alright, nothing really happens in Alien and Aliens until at least the 45 minute mark, so that's what I'll do'.  Problem was he neglected what was actually going on in Alien and Aliens before they kick into gear.  Relationships are established and tension and mystery are created.  In AvP, we find out Weyland is a (mostly) ruthless rich dude, Lex is an OH&S nazi, Exposition Boy is Exposition Boy, Miller is a socially retarded dweeb, and the drillers are obnoxious bullies.  Everything they say to each other has little or no consequence, and the constant cutaways to the Alien Queen and Predators remove any sort of mystery and tension.

It not miles away from JPJ studying the cutting in Hollywood action films when preparing for Resurrection instead of saying "Maybe theres a bit too much yacking and not enough Aliens in some of these scenes".

What an excellent analysis. Great points, always felt it; never been able to express it.

[SM]

Problem is it barely qualfies as an attempt.

Anderson just said 'Alright, nothing really happens in Alien and Aliens until at least the 45 minute mark, so that's what I'll do'.  Problem was he neglected what was actually going on in Alien and Aliens before they kick into gear.  Relationships are established and tension and mystery are created.  In AvP, we find out Weyland is a (mostly) ruthless rich dude, Lex is an OH&S nazi, Exposition Boy is Exposition Boy, Miller is a socially retarded dweeb, and the drillers are obnoxious bullies.  Everything they say to each other has little or no consequence, and the constant cutaways to the Alien Queen and Predators remove any sort of mystery and tension.

It not miles away from JPJ studying the cutting in Hollywood action films when preparing for Resurrection instead of saying "Maybe theres a bit too much yacking and not enough Aliens in some of these scenes".

Why would you label Weyland as ruthless? He wasn't a vicious person.

He is (ruthless (mostly) that is, bit of a difference from vicious) until he has that little talk with Lex about her father, which is the only moment of any decent character development in the whole flick.  Before that he may as well have been going "Velcome to my lair, bwahahaha!"

[StrangeShape]

Nah, I never got any feeling of benevolence from Weyland

[SM]

Eh?  He sacrificed himself to buy Lex and Sebastian time.

[StrangeShape]

Eh?  He sacrificed himself to buy Lex and Sebastian time.

Dang it, I meant malevolence!

[DoomRulz]

Problem is it barely qualfies as an attempt.

Anderson just said 'Alright, nothing really happens in Alien and Aliens until at least the 45 minute mark, so that's what I'll do'.  Problem was he neglected what was actually going on in Alien and Aliens before they kick into gear.  Relationships are established and tension and mystery are created.  In AvP, we find out Weyland is a (mostly) ruthless rich dude, Lex is an OH&S nazi, Exposition Boy is Exposition Boy, Miller is a socially retarded dweeb, and the drillers are obnoxious bullies.  Everything they say to each other has little or no consequence, and the constant cutaways to the Alien Queen and Predators remove any sort of mystery and tension.

It not miles away from JPJ studying the cutting in Hollywood action films when preparing for Resurrection instead of saying "Maybe theres a bit too much yacking and not enough Aliens in some of these scenes".

Why would you label Weyland as ruthless? He wasn't a vicious person.

He is (ruthless (mostly) that is, bit of a difference from vicious) until he has that little talk with Lex about her father, which is the only moment of any decent character development in the whole flick.  Before that he may as well have been going "Velcome to my lair, bwahahaha!"

Not like he was forcing anyone to be there.

[SM]

Not seeing a connection.