Started by xenomorph36, Dec 26, 2007, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 16, 2010, 10:20:59 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 10:10:03 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Aug 16, 2010, 09:20:09 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 09:04:08 PMThat's understandable but singling them out because they're cliched is stupid. I single Avatar out all the time for having a cut-and-paste story which was stolen from at least 3 different films. But cliches are almost unavoidable at this point so there isn't much point to griping about them.Thats called a new thing then.If you take 3 existing ingredients and mix them together you have something that hasnt been done before. ALIEN is basically a remake of two other stories. The most memorable franchise are born our of mixing. Not only that, Cameron's intent is to take the old stories and out them in new environment to make them viable and fresh again. As for the fairy tale approach, whats wrong with it? Fairy tales are simple and timeless. Its just a different type of a story and something fresh. We havent have much of that for a long time now, only those "badass" dark, emo semi-intelligent movies with bad endingsWhile Avatar took from great timeless classics like Pocahontas and Titanic took from Shakespear's masterpiece Romeo and Juliet, AVPR took from 80s teen crap like karate kid or virtually every corny 80s movie with teens. Thats the differenceThere is no difference. There's zero difference. How the material is used isn't important. The point is that ideas are being rehashed and it sucks. Cameron freshened up old ideas about as well as Requiem did, ergo, zilch.They reused, like every single movie did post 60s or 70s I believe so even singling it out makes no sense if you think about it. What matters is the end result and wheter it works
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 10:10:03 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Aug 16, 2010, 09:20:09 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 09:04:08 PMThat's understandable but singling them out because they're cliched is stupid. I single Avatar out all the time for having a cut-and-paste story which was stolen from at least 3 different films. But cliches are almost unavoidable at this point so there isn't much point to griping about them.Thats called a new thing then.If you take 3 existing ingredients and mix them together you have something that hasnt been done before. ALIEN is basically a remake of two other stories. The most memorable franchise are born our of mixing. Not only that, Cameron's intent is to take the old stories and out them in new environment to make them viable and fresh again. As for the fairy tale approach, whats wrong with it? Fairy tales are simple and timeless. Its just a different type of a story and something fresh. We havent have much of that for a long time now, only those "badass" dark, emo semi-intelligent movies with bad endingsWhile Avatar took from great timeless classics like Pocahontas and Titanic took from Shakespear's masterpiece Romeo and Juliet, AVPR took from 80s teen crap like karate kid or virtually every corny 80s movie with teens. Thats the differenceThere is no difference. There's zero difference. How the material is used isn't important. The point is that ideas are being rehashed and it sucks. Cameron freshened up old ideas about as well as Requiem did, ergo, zilch.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 16, 2010, 09:20:09 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 09:04:08 PMThat's understandable but singling them out because they're cliched is stupid. I single Avatar out all the time for having a cut-and-paste story which was stolen from at least 3 different films. But cliches are almost unavoidable at this point so there isn't much point to griping about them.Thats called a new thing then.If you take 3 existing ingredients and mix them together you have something that hasnt been done before. ALIEN is basically a remake of two other stories. The most memorable franchise are born our of mixing. Not only that, Cameron's intent is to take the old stories and out them in new environment to make them viable and fresh again. As for the fairy tale approach, whats wrong with it? Fairy tales are simple and timeless. Its just a different type of a story and something fresh. We havent have much of that for a long time now, only those "badass" dark, emo semi-intelligent movies with bad endingsWhile Avatar took from great timeless classics like Pocahontas and Titanic took from Shakespear's masterpiece Romeo and Juliet, AVPR took from 80s teen crap like karate kid or virtually every corny 80s movie with teens. Thats the difference
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 09:04:08 PMThat's understandable but singling them out because they're cliched is stupid. I single Avatar out all the time for having a cut-and-paste story which was stolen from at least 3 different films. But cliches are almost unavoidable at this point so there isn't much point to griping about them.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 16, 2010, 11:01:35 PMIt depends on where you grab your definition of "cliché" from. The Oxford English Dictionary includes the definitions of basically anything (Although particularly phrases, plots, and characterisation) that is stereotyped and/or overused.It's not a dirty word. Calling something a cliché doesn't necessary mean something bad unless the user wants it to. Alien is clichéd all to hell, but it just does everything better than what came before it, so people don't care. Same with a lot of movies.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 22, 2010, 07:22:28 AMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g
Quote from: The PredBen on Aug 22, 2010, 04:38:15 PMAVP is better ... much better ... a thousand times better. And a million times beneath Alien and Predator.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 22, 2010, 04:14:02 PMI'm watching that whole series now. I'm gonna watch the Alien3 one in a bit.
