Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 06, 2020, 06:34:14 PM
Uh, so The Predator isn't canon? Or Stargazer is, Sean Keyes is, hybrid Pred-Dogs are canon, but the movie itself isn't including AvP connections? When did this happen? Can you show us?
That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm specifically talking about the retcons, not the movie itself, again, the movie says something through exposition, this exposition talks about the predators as a species/society, implying it's the entire species and not a specific group. Again, I'm referring to the retcons and what the movie implies via dialogue, not the events in the movie itself.
QuoteFirst, even when you say ENTIRE in all caps, it still doesn't make it true. Second, when did they declare "entire species" in the movie? I must have missed that. I heard Traeger theorize, within 24 hours of Traeger wanting Casey to investigate if a human f*cked a Predator. It sounds like these hypothesis are still hypothesis, works in progress. Even Nimród won't deny the Super Predators dabble in hybridization.
Sure, they don't outright say "all the Predators are mutating themselves via DNA tampering", but the wording of the exposition still implies the entire species. The dialogue is there to inform the audience, just like the part where they say autism is the next step in evolution.
There's the possibly that this is a mistake, and the movie was planned to differentiate the Predators, but that could have been lost btw the cuts.
QuoteYet at the same time suggest something outside retconned certain moments inside the film including AvP?
That's not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that the movie implies something while Shane says something else, and like with any piece of media, the movie has to be criticized with what it offers. Just like we judge a book based on what is in the book instead of what the author says about the book. Information like this only matters when presented within the franchise, not outside it.
With that said, AvP is being ignored by both Stalking Shadows and the tapes in PHG, while yes, the canon of the game can be questionable as we have already dead individuals Preds in 2025 and even 4 Dutches in one match, the tapes in question are canon and they record OWLF findings, and both book and game ignore the events in 2004. If we are to believe they are in the same Universe, isn't it weird that the nuking of a town would go unnoticed by the OWLF? What about the artifacts from AvP, why are the tapes not covering them too? Unless the AvP easter eggs in The Predator are meant to be Stargazer findings from before they took over (Which tbf, could be really cool), their canon status is questionable.
It's worth noting how the description for Stalking Shadows says it's meant to link the continuity, from Predator 2 to Hunting Grounds, but it doesn't make any reference to AvP, which again, if they were canon, for sure Stalking Shadows or the tapes would mention the military nuking a town because of an otherworldly infestation, it was something within the OWLF's area afterall.