Quote from: saintssinphony on Oct 06, 2013, 05:37:27 PM
Just curious as to why you would sit an hour with a visiting door to door morman if you aren't one yourself? Are you that curious or are you looking for answers?
They came to me and told me that they could improve my life and save my soul. That's a bold claim. If they were comfortable and confident enough with that claim, then they can stand to defend it as well.
It was an old woman and a fairly young one if that helps. I was more interested in the young ones take on it, since the old woman seemed to be the leader here.
I wanted to see how they would fair under questioning. Know what I got? Refusal to give direct responses to questions. After 20 minutes, we went from 'I have proof that God is real' to 'I know in my heart it's true because I've been married 50 years'. Everything after that was them on the defensive. They would answer a question with a story, I would ask them about the story, and they would make excuses for the specifics not adding up or being horrible. I had to really insist to keep them on one point. They just wanted to jump to this or that and keep changing the topic, because if you kept them on one point for more then a minute they started falling apart.
Ya really need to pin them down or you'll spend all day chasing them.
The old woman ended up getting pretty upset and leaving after I caught her in a logic trap (I was in no way rude to her, but she was getting steadily agitated at not being able to answer my questions) but the young woman was much better at listening and didn't have strong reactions. So I guess that was my goal, to maybe coax her to take a closer look at her beliefs.
As for the logic trap...
This has always been a winner for me.
Can God be wrong? They usually answer no.
Can God lie to us? They usually answer no.
God told Abraham to kill his son. As Abraham raised the knife, God appeared and told him not to.
Did God lie to Abraham and did not actually want him to kill his son, or did God change his mind and was mistaken?
Every time I've used this, they claim 'that's opinion' or 'your interpreting it wrong' and then try to get away from that point as quick as they can.
Quote from: BANE on Oct 06, 2013, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: Sabby on Oct 06, 2013, 03:43:53 PM
Yeah, it's just not cool, telling someone that something that makes them happy might not be a good idea. That's why we don't try to get friends and family away from heroine.
Oh, wait.
Yes, religion is like heroine. 
Not exactly the same, just an example of the 'but it makes people happy' argument not working. Like it doesn't work here.
