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Started by DoomRulz, Nov 30, 2012, 03:53:46 AM

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Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#15225
Or the hospital workers when they get overwhelmed by a new wave of patients.  So much for flattening the curve.

Gr33n M4n

Gr33n M4n

#15226
Sweden and South Korea left things open throughout the entire pandemic. Eventually countries under lock down will have to reopen some things.

SpreadEagleBeagle

SpreadEagleBeagle

#15227
...not only those groups but younger healthy people will be at a greater risk of getting hospitalized from the virus as the amount/dosage/concentration of the virus contracted will/may have a dire impact on you, especially since our individual immune systems react differently, especially if we're stressed and tired. That's why otherwise young and healthy healthcare workers around the world are dying like flies.

If we didn't have these lock-downs and shelter-in-place policies, we would be "bombarded"/saturated with the virus due to its specific nature (like the extremely long incubation period and the virus's ability to stay "alive" for up to 24-72 hours on certain surfaces), so not only would the old and already vulnerable portions of the population die fast as you and I too would run a greater risk of running into severe COVID-19 related complications. I have one friend in NY who just recovered from the virus. She said it was several times worse than the worst flu. She gets winded super easily now and gets breathing pains if she overexerts herself the slightest. She's not even 40 yet. She is worried that she has permanent lung damage to her lungs now.

Sure, the country and the economy needs to open up at some point, and preferably sooner rather than later, but it needs to be thoroughly planned and and with great caution, carefully calculated/guided by actual experts. A more or less improvised state-by-state basis opening of the economy is most likely going backfire with a resurgence a bunch of weeks from now, even with prolonged social distancing and people wearing masks.

With that said, those armed Tea Partiers and Confederate flag waving so called "patriots" protesting in the streets, defying social distancing while not wearing masks, need to be dealt with and escorted home as they are definitely potential so called "super spreaders". Imagine if these protesters had not been whites but blacks, latinos or Muslims? The tone and response would've been quite different to say the least.

Another scary fact is that the current administration has not even thought about who would be liable if/when employees contract the virus and suffer from the consequences... Who's gonna pay for the medical bill? Will the employer/company be liable for exposing their employees to the virus? Or will the federal government step in and cover, or will they dump it on the state? Or even worse - will it be up to each individual to pay for the tens of thousands of dollars it will cost for treatment, a hospital bed etc.?

SiL

SiL

#15228
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Apr 21, 2020, 04:57:26 AM
Sweden and South Korea left things open throughout the entire pandemic. Eventually countries under lock down will have to reopen some things.
Sweden has the worst death toll of the Scandinavian countries and South Korea used highly invasive digital tracking of every single citizen.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 21, 2020, 04:43:44 AM
Or the hospital workers when they get overwhelmed by a new wave of patients.  So much for flattening the curve.
Or the people who survive but end up with lung, kidney, or liver damage. It's not like the disease either kills you or you're fine. It's resulting in potentially life long organ damage.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#15229
My respiratory system is already compromised by many years of hard living.  I don't think I'd survive it unless they put me on a ventilator, and even then I don't think I'd ever fully recover.

SiL

SiL

#15230
But the economy!

Gr33n M4n

Gr33n M4n

#15231
Quote from: SiL on Apr 21, 2020, 05:34:06 AM
But the economy!

It's not like the economy keeps people fed and health services functional. You should have a concern for the economy and the damage being done to it.

SiL

SiL

#15232
I do.

Just not more than I have concern for people and the damage being done to them by callous, ignorant, selfish arseholes.

SM

SM

#15233
Filthy socialist.

TC

TC

#15234
What really makes me angry are the rich prick arch right-wing libertarian ass-holes like this guy Peter Thiel (German Pay Pal co-founder) who bought their New Zealand passports out of the billions they made while espousing the dismantling of socially-minded welfare states (like we have here in NZ), then run for shelter to those very same countries because of dysfunctional public health in the countries in which they actually live (that's right, he bought his NZ citizenship but has no interest in becoming a Kiwi; he lives overseas fortifying his riches doing things like working as Trump's info-tech advisor). Then they show up here seeking refuge from the calamity that results from their very own ideologies.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/indepth/national/how-peter-thiel-got-new-zealand-citizenship/

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2018-rich-new-zealand-doomsday-preppers/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12316696

TC

Deathbearer

Deathbearer

#15235
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Apr 21, 2020, 05:40:31 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 21, 2020, 05:34:06 AM
But the economy!

It's not like the economy keeps people fed and health services functional. You should have a concern for the economy and the damage being done to it.
Because prematurely reopening during a pandemic surely won't negatively impact the economy

Wysps

Wysps

#15236
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Apr 21, 2020, 05:15:38 AM
Sure, the country and the economy needs to open up at some point, and preferably sooner rather than later, but it needs to be thoroughly planned and and with great caution, carefully calculated/guided by actual experts. A more or less improvised state-by-state basis opening of the economy is most likely going backfire with a resurgence a bunch of weeks from now, even with prolonged social distancing and people wearing masks.

Exactly. The improvised approach by state governors, who are so disconnected from each other, is going to make things much worse. As they plan on re-opening, it should at least be a concerted effort so the surrounding states are on board. Kentucky, for instance, shouldn't have to deal with the repercussions of Tennessee's choices (this extends to other areas of politics as well, but I digress....)  We also need to plan on how we're going to deal with this if it becomes a seasonal disease.

Here are some articles on clinical characteristics and surface stability, if anyone's interested.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2010419?query=featured_home

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

Samhain13

Samhain13

#15237
At this point countries are already f**ked whenever they decide to start reopening stuff or not. There is no good alternative. What a way to start this decade.

Deathbearer

Deathbearer

#15238
Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 21, 2020, 02:56:47 PM
At this point countries are already f**ked whenever they decide to start reopening stuff or not. There is no good alternative. What a way to start this decade.
Great Depression 2: Electric Boogaloo

Gr33n M4n

Gr33n M4n

#15239
Gronkowski is going to Tampa Bay to reunite with Brady.

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