Quote from: broughtpain on Feb 26, 2016, 04:35:53 AM
History is something that belongs to everybody. For better or worse, good or bad, it's something that should be accepted and claimed by everybody. Real progress is made by reflecting on what's happened, not by covering it up or rewriting it.
Which is exactly what the Right and Conservatives do ALL the time.
QuoteThose kids are laying the foundation for liberal progressive fascism because nobody is explaining to them that that's what they're doing. Even sadder is the fact that progressives don't even know or understand what fascism is, what distinguishes it, how it works or the historical precedents of it.
Sorry, but it is when you come up with bizarro world stuff like this that you're the one who sound like the one who has no idea about what Fascism is.
Fascism, by default,
can't be liberal or progressive, as liberalism and progressivism is about being inclusive, about striving for equality and opportunity for ALL, accepting each others' weaknesses and work with them, accept the fact that society works in favor more for certain groups of people than others (structural hierarchies and levels of privilege), it's about not buying into national exceptionalism - it's about seeing the world as connected etc.
Fascism on the other hand is about being exclusive, it's equality and opportunity only for the chosen few (you have to be of the right nationality, or culture, or race, or religion, or all four of them), not accepting other's weaknesses and even less work with them, not acknowledging that there is privilege (there is strong, moral, hardworking and righteous people, and then there is weak, immoral, lazy and unrighteous people - ubermench and sub-humans), and it doesn't see the world as connected - it's US AGAINST THEM, and it's all about national exceptionalism.
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With that said, I'm well aware that if you push an ideology too far and then some, you will alienate everyone else as you end up in a bubble where you stop listening. There are Feminists that deserve being called Feminazis, as they have gotten absorbed by their rage and is just picking things apart and misinterpreting things just because. Same goes with certain minority activists, LGBTQ activists, and environmental activists etc. Some of them just want to complain and fight because they are used to it and that is the only thing they know how to do, but have no real desire or will to sit down and come up with a solution, or even join the ones who are willing to do that. They're lost, which is dangerous, and it is no longer about equality and inclusion anymore - they're out with a vengeance. That is not constructive. It's destructive and could possibly lead to a new kind of fascism if it wasn't for the case that in the actual real world they are in the absolute minority and have no real effect on anything. Sure, they are just as loud as the nut job equivalents on the right, but that's about it. But I know that some conservatives and many people on the far right like to bunch them/us all together, trying to make it look like the fringe element destructive loudmouths are the norm here on the left. That we all want to castrate and possible execute all Western men, especially the white Christian ones, enforce Sharia law and "Feminazi" rule at the same time, take all your guns etc.
QuoteAs much as people claim the right and far right in the United States are fascists nobody ever discusses how incompatible limited government and individual rights are with fascism.
It is oh so compatible. With limited government, the way the Far Right want it to be, has no room for "weak" people, unassimilated minorities etc. With limited government the people with the money and the means can proceed with their business or organization in whatever way they please without any repercussions. The "freedom" to be a profit-driven psychopatic asshole trumps human life and dignity. Traditional fascists valued private property rights, capitalism and private profit gains, but didn't want the private interests to outmaneuver the strength and power of the fascist regime, as strength and power is all that counts. Fascists have always had conservative leanings through history, both socially and fiscally. Check Italy, Japan, Spain, Portugal etc.
Check all the definitions of Fascism/fascism, and the history of the term(s). I don't think your simplified and somewhat biased view and interpretation of the term does not work in your favor. All dictatorships, as implied within a broader description of fascism, have elements of fascism, and as we know none of those communist revolutions survived after the initial revolutionary phase. They turned into totalitarian nightmares communist in name only, as undemocratic and harried regions tend to do, no matter the ideology.
