Posted by Kradan
- Today at 05:42:28 PMIt's also a thread started by site's very own founder which got to make its preservation life or death issue
Posted by BigDaddyJohn
- Today at 05:14:05 PMI just checked how old this thread was, and I realize now it's even more important to keep it alive.
For History.
For History.
Posted by Local Trouble
- Today at 05:23:45 AMEgg goo doesn't have to be the black goo, but it could be integrated in some way if one insists on doing so. I guess.
Posted by SM
- Today at 04:23:40 AMHow does it explain the egg?
Posted by razeak
- Today at 12:59:23 AMThe only thing positive contribution of black goo is explaining the egg. Hell....maybe that was Scott's goal all along. Haha.
Posted by E. Shaw
- May 03, 2024, 07:03:30 PMWhat I want to know is did Sulaco computer catch "the microchanges in air density." 
Posted by SiL
- May 03, 2024, 06:51:42 AMQuote from: blacksymbiote on May 03, 2024, 05:56:02 AMOr the egg laying Alien did that instead.Quote from: SM on May 02, 2024, 10:28:48 PMSo a trip that would normally take 100 minutes, plus time for refuelling now takes 15 because he's a robot?I'm willing to incorporate Gibson's version and say maybe Bishop carried the makings of the egg and ditched what little there was during the Queen fight and it found its space on its own.
Posted by blacksymbiote
- May 03, 2024, 05:56:02 AMQuote from: SM on May 02, 2024, 10:28:48 PMSo a trip that would normally take 100 minutes, plus time for refuelling now takes 15 because he's a robot?I'm willing to incorporate Gibson's version and say maybe Bishop carried the makings of the egg and ditched what little there was during the Queen fight and it found its space on its own.
Posted by Acid_Reign161
- May 03, 2024, 12:28:36 AMQuote from: SM on May 02, 2024, 10:28:48 PMSoz - that was my fault. Quoted the wrong person.
Haha, it's all good, I figured as much!😂
Posted by SM
- May 02, 2024, 11:20:46 PMHe knows the FTL hack for dropships.
Posted by Local Trouble
- May 02, 2024, 10:49:26 PMQuote from: SM on May 02, 2024, 10:28:48 PMSo a trip that would normally take 100 minutes, plus time for refuelling now takes 15 because he's a robot?
Because of the knife trick. It proves he's fast, so he can make dropships go faster too.
Posted by SM
- May 02, 2024, 10:28:48 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on May 02, 2024, 11:32:42 AMQuote from: SM on May 02, 2024, 10:54:55 AMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on May 02, 2024, 10:39:38 AMQuote from: blacksymbiote on May 02, 2024, 09:33:54 AMQuote from: SM on May 02, 2024, 01:45:07 AMNo.Simple, Bishop had the egg at that point and flew it up to the Sulaco after giving Hicks a sedative while Ripley went for Newt.
We cut to Bishop a couple of times while he's aligning the dish and prepping the ship. Then it arrives just as Ripley and Hicks get to the landing field.
lol... Just to be clear, you think Bishop flew the dropship back to the Sulaco, docked, placed the egg upside down in a random floor space instead of somewhere secure, got back in the dropship, and flew back to the atmosphere processor... all in 19 minutes? (So around five minutes flight time into orbit each way, taking into account docking times and time to offload the cargo) yeah?😂 (and this is ignoring that you are suggesting he just happened to have a magic egg on his person that nobody notices, and for some reason doesn't react to Hicks' presence in the dropship). Got it. 👍
No.Quote from: blacksymbiote on May 02, 2024, 09:33:54 AMQuote from: SM on May 02, 2024, 01:45:07 AMNo.Simple, Bishop had the egg at that point and flew it up to the Sulaco after giving Hicks a sedative while Ripley went for Newt.
We cut to Bishop a couple of times while he's aligning the dish and prepping the ship. Then it arrives just as Ripley and Hicks get to the landing field.
No.
It's fifty minutes flight time one way.
LOL, *I* know that, I was being sarcastic... 🤣
Soz - that was my fault. Quoted the wrong person.
Quote from: TheDerelict on May 02, 2024, 11:45:46 AMCan we all just admit that it doesn't matter, Alien 3 is so great, an absolute masterpiece, that an alien egg can just turn up anywhere for purpose of story.
F**k it, why not two eggs. Three eggs. As many eggs as you can throw at a Conestoga class military vessel.
I think we can all agree on that and put the egg to bed.
I hear by declare the problem solved.
😎
No one should admit it's an absolute masterpiece - nevermind "we all".
QuoteBeing a droid, I just assume he can fly the dropship more efficiently and faster than a human can, hence why he's the only one qualified.
So a trip that would normally take 100 minutes, plus time for refuelling now takes 15 because he's a robot?
Posted by Eal
- May 02, 2024, 06:26:50 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on May 02, 2024, 01:53:35 PMI feel the "it was all a dream in cryo, there were no eggs" is too lazy, and also presents the problem of how a facehugger (or huggers) got on board - they clearly didn't hitch a ride on the Queen (we saw the Queen multiple times before it got on board the dropship).
Yes! Not to mention the fact that the "dream" doesn't hold on her POV (going to show concrete looking locations and pans to give us the audience info), like the one in Aliens did. Fans need to accept that as far as the writers and filmmakers who made it were concerned: how the egg got aboard didn't matter, the audience just had to accept it.
I get they were under pressure due to the deadline, but holy cow, if they had simply stuck to one single story idea and refined it over time, like they did with Alien and Aliens, they would've been in better shape.
Posted by blacksymbiote
- May 02, 2024, 06:23:25 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on May 02, 2024, 10:39:38 AMlol... Just to be clear, you think Bishop flew the dropship back to the Sulaco, docked, placed the egg upside down in a random floor space instead of somewhere secure, got back in the dropship, and flew back to the atmosphere processor... all in 19 minutes? (So around five minutes flight time into orbit each way, taking into account docking times and time to offload the cargo) yeah?😂 (and this is ignoring that you are suggesting he just happened to have a magic egg on his person that nobody notices, and for some reason doesn't react to Hicks' presence in the dropship). Got it. 👍Being a droid, I just assume he can fly the dropship more efficiently and faster than a human can, hence why he's the only one qualified.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on May 02, 2024, 01:53:35 PMI will maintain that, unless an additional story is made set between Aliens and Alien 3, the most logical theory, having ruled out most of the popular theories with conflicting factors presented on screen, and using what we know about the alien (and a little of what we don't know) is that the eggs grew there. It's the only theory I think I'd be happy with accepting as plausible at this stage, taking into account the egg/eggs position, the black resin dripping down from above around it, the fact the prop has a smaller unformed egg next to the cluster (suggesting that was the mindset) It grew. Eggmorphing hasn't been expanded upon enough... we assume the host is changing into an egg, but it could just as easily be the case that the host is feeding the growing egg nutrients in the first movie; it may aid maturity but may not be needed. Big chap certainly didn't lay full sized ovomorphs, and the queen doesn't have "emergency eggs" when we clearly see unformed 'yolks' pouring from her egg sack when Ripley launches grenades at it. It's impossible for it to be Bishop, and for arguments sake, if it were, it'd be in a secure hold for transport to WeYu labs, not randomly placed under flooring upside down and covered in secretions.The egg is honestly the problem with continuity. If it were just a facehugger, I'd argue it was able to sneak on board and bide its time as we see it do in fury 161 before it actually attacks the dog.
A cluster of growing eggs is the only logical assumption (in something that we as an audience know doesn't make sense, was simply a studio demand... but it's what we are presented with, it's on-screen so it happened). The fact that we saw dripping acid burning into the floor by Bishops feet from her wounds from losing the eggsack (and you would assume this leakage would continue through the fight with Ripley in the power loader) *and* the fact the location of the egg bares a striking resemblance to the underfloor area Newt was crawling in just helps lean into this.
I feel the "it was all a dream in cryo, there were no eggs" is too lazy, and also presents the problem of how a facehugger (or huggers) got on board - they clearly didn't hitch a ride on the Queen (we saw the Queen multiple times before it got on board the dropship).
Posted by Acid_Reign161
- May 02, 2024, 01:53:35 PMI will maintain that, unless an additional story is made set between Aliens and Alien 3, the most logical theory, having ruled out most of the popular theories with conflicting factors presented on screen, and using what we know about the alien (and a little of what we don't know) is that the eggs grew there. It's the only theory I think I'd be happy with accepting as plausible at this stage, taking into account the egg/eggs position, the black resin dripping down from above around it, the fact the prop has a smaller unformed egg next to the cluster (suggesting that was the mindset) It grew. Eggmorphing hasn't been expanded upon enough... we assume the host is changing into an egg, but it could just as easily be the case that the host is feeding the growing egg nutrients in the first movie; it may aid maturity but may not be needed. Big chap certainly didn't lay full sized ovomorphs, and the queen doesn't have "emergency eggs" when we clearly see unformed 'yolks' pouring from her egg sack when Ripley launches grenades at it. It's impossible for it to be Bishop, and for arguments sake, if it were, it'd be in a secure hold for transport to WeYu labs, not randomly placed under flooring upside down and covered in secretions.
A cluster of growing eggs is the only logical assumption (in something that we as an audience know doesn't make sense, was simply a studio demand... but it's what we are presented with, it's on-screen so it happened). The fact that we saw dripping acid burning into the floor by Bishops feet from her wounds from losing the eggsack (and you would assume this leakage would continue through the fight with Ripley in the power loader) *and* the fact the location of the egg bares a striking resemblance to the underfloor area Newt was crawling in just helps lean into this.
I feel the "it was all a dream in cryo, there were no eggs" is too lazy, and also presents the problem of how a facehugger (or huggers) got on board - they clearly didn't hitch a ride on the Queen (we saw the Queen multiple times before it got on board the dropship).
A cluster of growing eggs is the only logical assumption (in something that we as an audience know doesn't make sense, was simply a studio demand... but it's what we are presented with, it's on-screen so it happened). The fact that we saw dripping acid burning into the floor by Bishops feet from her wounds from losing the eggsack (and you would assume this leakage would continue through the fight with Ripley in the power loader) *and* the fact the location of the egg bares a striking resemblance to the underfloor area Newt was crawling in just helps lean into this.
I feel the "it was all a dream in cryo, there were no eggs" is too lazy, and also presents the problem of how a facehugger (or huggers) got on board - they clearly didn't hitch a ride on the Queen (we saw the Queen multiple times before it got on board the dropship).
