Best pic of an Alien

Started by War Wager, Sep 19, 2007, 05:58:14 PM

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Elmazalman

Elmazalman

#7335
Maybe if the writhing maggots-in-the-skull idea had panned out we might have been treated to a few graphic shots of the Alien's semi-translucent skull.Who knows?Maybe there was footage filmed but cut that included a much clearer look at the head.

Born Of Cold Light

Born Of Cold Light

#7336
Quote from: Elmazalman on Mar 11, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Maybe if the writhing maggots-in-the-skull idea had panned out we might have been treated to a few graphic shots of the Alien's semi-translucent skull.Who knows?Maybe there was footage filmed but cut that included a much clearer look at the head.

The maggot skull alien was a pretty cool idea that maybe could be retooled for future use.

Elmazalman

Elmazalman

#7337
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 12, 2015, 04:34:10 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Mar 11, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Maybe if the writhing maggots-in-the-skull idea had panned out we might have been treated to a few graphic shots of the Alien's semi-translucent skull.Who knows?Maybe there was footage filmed but cut that included a much clearer look at the head.

The maggot skull alien was a pretty cool idea that maybe could be retooled for future use.
I'd like to see it in #5,along with the 'Box Alien' configuration.With today's SFX/CGI it shouldn't be too difficult to pull off.

DoomRulz

DoomRulz

#7338
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 10, 2015, 09:36:30 PM
Simple skull face is boring.

I disagree. Imagine it coming at you, hissing and snarling like an Alien is known to do.

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#7339
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 13, 2015, 11:34:59 AMI disagree. Imagine it coming at you, hissing and snarling like an Alien is known to do.

But that just reminds me of a hundred other movie monsters.

The faceless beast is far more unusual and terrifying.

OpenMaw

OpenMaw

#7340
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 13, 2015, 12:25:48 PM
But that just reminds me of a hundred other movie monsters.

The faceless beast is far more unusual and terrifying.

The silent and faceless beast. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws

One of the worst things to happen to the creature following Aliens was the constant hissing and screeching. Even in Aliens they really only ever made a lot of noise when they were shot.

OmegaZilla

OmegaZilla

#7341
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 13, 2015, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 10, 2015, 09:36:30 PM
Simple skull face is boring.

I disagree. Imagine it coming at you, hissing and snarling like an Alien is known to do.
Like a good number of other movie and videogame Monsters? Oh, wow.

Alien³

Alien³

#7342
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 13, 2015, 03:51:27 PM
One of the worst things to happen to the creature following Aliens was the constant hissing and screeching.

For me it works in Alien 3 due to it being more animalistic. But the incessant roaring, hissing, and purring (even in Alien: Isolation) was ill fitting. They sound more like the JP raptors now.

The high-pitched, almost whistling, sound thats present in the original works wonders to add an alien feel to the thing.

The more silent the better.

Born Of Cold Light

Born Of Cold Light

#7343
Da Vinci xenomorph diagram:


MCP

MCP

#7344
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 13, 2015, 04:50:05 PM


The high-pitched, almost whistling, sound thats present in the original works wonders to add an alien feel to the thing.

Didn't they use a baby's scream for that sound effect?  I remember hearing about that somewhere.

QuoteThe more silent the better.

I agree. 

NetworkATTH

NetworkATTH

#7345
Making it totally silent or making it totally noisy are both mistakes. Noisy in Aliens because they killed one of its young, and keep killing them. They're going to hiss and get mad when you kill them. Regardless of what you think, the Alien is based on insect principles, that's its genesis, and it was its development throughout Alien. Aliens was not the point where they decided to make them insect like, it's totally throughout Alien. When a nest of vicious army ants for example, gets intruded on by, say, a shrew. Shrew is toast. They crawl all over the shrew, and kill it, if they could scream you know they would. That's terrifying. I think that's something that should be expanded on. With all the over designed almost mechanical exoskeleton of the Alien, it should be making more noise, crunch wise. If you hear ants in a nest, the whole thing vibrates and you can hear them moving. In some ants, specifically the army ants I was mentioning, they make entire nests by grappling and grasping each other, and since they're so durable and strong, other ants can crawl through entire tunnels made up of ants.

For an Alien, the sickly crunch of the exoskeleton, the silent predation in a noisy environment to hide the noise of its movements (like the Nostromo), or the combined predation of a nest attacked should all take these insect qualities because they're absolutely terrifying, nature is brutal and the Alien is no exception. It almost sounds like a hokey concept, but imagine a nest of Aliens, pre-resin, where the creatures grapple onto each other, anyone who gets in this seemingly at first, resin like structure is grabbed and held while a facehugger somewhere in the cacophony, climbs in between one of their bodies and jumps onto this person, being held back by the hands and arms of the Aliens themselves, but there's just so many bodies you can't get a definitive idea where one Alien starts and another ends.

What makes the Alien terrifying, and this is such a cliche because everyone has a million ways of going about that topic, but one I've come to accept, is that it isn't the silent biomechanoid space assassin that makes the Alien. It is a giant bug, it has the mind of a bug, it is absolutely bizarre and mechanical looking, but it's shape is a parody of a human being.  It has the ruthless on-off switch psychology of an arthropod but it's shaped like a man. It's almost in a way, a lot more Kafka than Giger. Try imagining, something shaped like a man, with an exoskeleton, capable of doing all the things insects and spiders do that make us so uncomfortable, and it has features that cannot be reconciled with, like a human skull covered in a translucent cowl, or a giant tubed head.

I'll give you an example of what I mean. Imagine if there's a roach in your room right now. This is hypothetical, I'm sure your room is clean and there are no roaches. But imagine it's just, moving around, cleaning itself, staring at you, in complete darkness, in some crevice in your room. What is it thinking, for a human being seeing something at such a scale of you would be awe inspiring and terrifying. For this roach, in this hidden crevice in your room, it just thinks "That could kill me" "I need to feed" "I must sleep" "Recover" "Ground" "Stick" "Avoiding", and moves on, without any interest, it just has these commands that register with it that are even more basic than what I just said. Now imagine that, but it's the size of a man. It breaks your arms and legs and traps you in gunk, these eggs open up, and you hear the crunch of this spider or crab like thing, and you're knocked out for a few hours. You wake up, and it's at your feet dead. You hear the crunching and slapping and slithering of so many Aliens moving about in this nightmarish hallway of half eaten corpses of the already gestated and there are bones everywhere. It's absolutely filthy. You feel the vibrations of the nest moving around, in this hard but delicate resin your strapped to, so they can feel when something that isn't them, enters a nest. And, you wait for an hour or two, and this thing comes bursting out of your chest and you die. And it is all done with minds, no simpler than that unsettling roach in your room. "Meat" "Soft" "I need to feed" "Soft" "Sleep" "Recover" "Ground" "Stick" "Call" "Stick" "Mother" "Child" "Home". Something like that, given the ability to scream, is bound to scream. And it's terrifying that it's this ruthless human insect, and it's screaming.


DoomRulz

DoomRulz

#7346
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 13, 2015, 04:50:05 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 13, 2015, 03:51:27 PM
One of the worst things to happen to the creature following Aliens was the constant hissing and screeching.

For me it works in Alien 3 due to it being more animalistic. But the incessant roaring, hissing, and purring (even in Alien: Isolation) was ill fitting. They sound more like the JP raptors now.

The high-pitched, almost whistling, sound thats present in the original works wonders to add an alien feel to the thing.

The more silent the better.

It can't be mute though. The amount of noise it made in Alien was ideal.

Alien³

Alien³

#7347
I agree.

I hope Blomkamp decides to remove any roaring.

stroggificated

stroggificated

#7348


;D

Born Of Cold Light

Born Of Cold Light

#7349
Quote from: stroggificated on Mar 18, 2015, 12:00:51 PM


;D

I love the skull at the top of the throne.

This is now one of my favorite Alien pics ever:


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