Work on the Sequels Stopped?

[The Cruentus]

Some will adapt.  Others will complain.

Just like we had to adapt to accept the Queen in 1986.  Just like we had to adapt to accept Aliens are easily killed by sustained gunfire.  Just like we had to adapt when Ripley, Hicks and Newt were killed. ...and so on and so forth.

The Queen never really contradicted anything. Aliens were always easily killable, its just that the first Alien was not up against armed marines. Also I believe commentary from the first film mentions how they are just animals. Never had an issue with Ripley dying, her story was complete and she had to endure her nightmare coming true which was interesting. Hicks and Newt, their death would not have bothered me but the way it was done was cheap. Honestly there should have been a film in between Aliens and Alien 3 to expand on the development from Aliens and not make their deaths so cheap in 3. Also such a middle film could have explained the egg.

Kane had to be fed with oxygen in order to survive

Probably the result of being hugged in a toxic atmosphere. Same for Newt's father.

Russ was not facehugged in a toxic atmosphere... the air was breathable thanks to the APthough still bad weather . Same goes for Marachuk and the other victim who was also killed through the surgery and both of those huggers were removed before implantation, so whatever the implantation time is, its not seconds...or at least its not supposed to be. It is probably occurs just before halfway (using the 24hr version process)

[Alien³]

so whatever the implantation time is, its not seconds...or at least its not supposed to be.

Depends. The facehugger had been out of the egg for quite some time. Maybe it was ready to bust a nut.

That said, and as others have mentioned, these aren't exactly the same creatures we've seen in previous movies.

Close, but there are clear differences.

[HuDaFuK]

That said, and as others have mentioned, these aren't exactly the same creatures we've seen in previous movies.

Ridley Scott says they are.

Close, but there are clear differences.

There have always been differences in the how the Aliens look from film to film.

[Alien³]

There have always been differences in the how the Aliens look from film to film.

Of course and each film brings differences to their structure and behaviour.

One previous example is Ripley's long gestation time, which with alien 3 has always been chalked off to the embryo being a queen or Ripley's body being damaged whilst impregnated during the crash, but the film never states that in detail. So should that be considered inconsistent with previous films?

Ridley Scott says they are.

They are the alien, yes. Will they act/look exactly the same? Not always. To be expected really.

[Highland]

There have always been differences in the how the Aliens look from film to film.

Of course and each film brings differences to their structure and behaviour.

One previous example is Ripley's long gestation time, which with alien 3 has always been chalked off to the embryo being a queen or Ripley's body being damaged whilst impregnated during the crash, but the film never states that in detail. So should that be considered inconsistent with previous films?

Ridley Scott says they are.

They are the alien, yes. Will they act/look exactly the same? Not always. To be expected really.

I think people are open to different reasons and canon when the purpose isn't  "we need to get this movie moving along quickly".

[marrerom]

That said, and as others have mentioned, these aren't exactly the same creatures we've seen in previous movies.

Ridley Scott says they are.

Close, but there are clear differences.

There have always been differences in the how the Aliens look from film to film.

In Covenant the Protomorph was an early attempt of David's at creating the Alien. Its close but not quite there yet as evidenced by some subtle differences: Differences in egg shapes, incubation speeds, accelerated growth, etc.  Its David's rough draft (He admits that his progress had stalled due to lack of hosts) and I see no conflict with the other films. The Alien's we see in the other 4 films are going to be the result of David perfecting his creation as he experiments with the 2000 colonists in hypersleep.

[The happy alien]

I really hope FOX make another AvP film on Earth at present time just to say that is the true canon. It looks like this is how It works. The latest film is the only one that counts. That would be so funny.

[Gash]

Surely the whole point of the rapid implantation is...

1. To show just how tenacious a facehugger can be, when it's sole purpose is face rape despite being attacked, wounded etc.

2. To show a different aspect of it, in a different environment.

3. Precisely to leave you doubting implantation could have taken place so that the birthing of a new alien on the Covenant is a WTF moment. Surely if you get in an in-movie explanation before the event you've ruined that revelation - but I suppose that would be another 'obvious' twist to complain about.

4. That in retrospect you can say, ah, the hugger curled up and died. job done.


Also. the hugger's securely fixed on Lope's face for 13 seconds - sexual intercourse within the animal kingdom is often shorter than that, so it's hardly beyond belief.

[HuDaFuK]

Surely the whole point of the rapid implantation is...

1. To show just how tenacious a facehugger can be, when it's sole purpose is face rape despite being attacked, wounded etc.

So why didn't it do that quickly with Kane?

2. To show a different aspect of it, in a different environment.

So... if a woman got pregnant in a different environment, the child could be born in five minutes?

3. Precisely to leave you doubting implantation could have taken place so that the birthing of a new alien on the Covenant is a WTF moment. Surely if you get in an in-movie explanation before the event you've ruined that revelation - but I suppose that would be another 'obvious' twist to complain about.

You said it yourself, Covenant's twists were about as subtle as a child drawing in on a big sheet of paper with crayon. It was obvious there was going to be one more Alien from the moment they got back to the ship.

Not as glaringly obvious as the David "twist", but it was still pretty obvious the film wasn't done yet.

4. That in retrospect you can say, ah, the hugger curled up and died. job done.

Wut?

Also. the hugger's securely fixed on Lope's face for 13 seconds - sexual intercourse within the animal kingdom is often shorter than that, so it's hardly beyond belief.

Again, why then did it take so long with Kane?

Sure, the script might have good reasons for it to be so quick, but Prometheus' script had good reasons to kill off Millburn and Fifield. It was the execution that was so inept.

[Mr. Clemens]

What about this:

Maybe the facehugger has always impregnated its hosts quickly. Maybe the rest of time it was simply monitoring the embryo (and host) until it was ready to hatch... but obviously didn't have that luxury in this case.

[Mister Skeezler]

What about this:

Maybe the facehugger has always impregnated its hosts quickly. Maybe the rest of time it was simply monitoring the embryo (and host) until it was ready to hatch... but obviously didn't have that luxury in this case.

This is what I've just assumed. It impregnates and immobilizes the host immediately, keeps it alive for as long as it can, then dies when the embryo is almost ready.

[SiL]

Aliens says no.

[Gash]

Surely the whole point of the rapid implantation is...

1. To show just how tenacious a facehugger can be, when it's sole purpose is face rape despite being attacked, wounded etc.

So why didn't it do that quickly with Kane?

Because it was keeping him alive? Because it was indulging in Tantric sex? Because Facehuggers do their own thing?

2. To show a different aspect of it, in a different environment.

So... if a woman got pregnant in a different environment, the child could be born in five minutes?

Well, no. Because the alien was born hours later. How is that even part of the issue?

3. Precisely to leave you doubting implantation could have taken place so that the birthing of a new alien on the Covenant is a WTF moment. Surely if you get in an in-movie explanation before the event you've ruined that revelation - but I suppose that would be another 'obvious' twist to complain about.

You said it yourself, Covenant's twists were about as subtle as a child drawing in on a big sheet of paper with crayon. It was obvious there was going to be one more Alien from the moment they got back to the ship.

Not as glaringly obvious as the David "twist", but it was still pretty obvious the film wasn't done yet.

Thus proving my point. But apparently you'd rather it was yet more obviously signposted.

4. That in retrospect you can say, ah, the hugger curled up and died. job done.

Wut?

Try watching the film and picking up on the visual clues. The hugger gets thrown aside but instead of jumping back into the fray as it does in Aliens, it withers and dies. Not obvious enough?

Also. the hugger's securely fixed on Lope's face for 13 seconds - sexual intercourse within the animal kingdom is often shorter than that, so it's hardly beyond belief.

Again, why then did it take so long with Kane?

Again, because it attacked him in an alien atmosphere and kept him alive. It wasn't being attacked, it wasn't in a hurry. Why is it so hard to grasp that totally different circumstances would make one huggers attack more desperate and the others more measured.

Aliens says no.

The thought that a hugger could put it's tube down someones throat immediately without it also implanting immediately is harder to believe.

ADF's novelisation of ALIEN mentions the shadow within Kane's chest, from the first examination, long before the hugger dies.

[Alien³]

So why didn't it do that quickly with Kane?

Could have been because it hugged him in a toxic atmosphere. Stayed on, feeding him oxygen to get the job done.

Also the one that got Lope had been out of its egg for a while before it attacked. Could have been ready to shoot

[SM]

I don't really buy many of the justifications, but yes, Kane was in a toxic atmosphere and it had to keep him alive (thus staying on him) at least until they got back to the ship.

But then it stayed on for a lot longer.