Fred Dekker On The Predator Fan Reception and The Predator Killer Ending

[The Shuriken]

Blowing off criticism as coming from only toxic fans does a disservice to the fans. While fandom, particularly the Alien and Predator fandom hosts its own set of toxicity (and the gatekeepers) the resounding opinion was that The Predator was a disservice to the lore, mythology and integrity of the series.

This is what I was thinking. Is it toxic now to just dislike something?

[AVP-CAPCOM]

I can't see how Fred Dekker claims "the formula was contradicted" as being a legitimate comeback for what is PREDATOR equivalent of ALIEN Resurrection.

PREDATORs collect the skulls of "game" as trophies, a point we are horrified to see how ruthless killers they are and its the lore we respect.

The whole gene splicing and spinal fluid was just convoluted B-movie crap, how is that better?
The self parody of "the upgrade PREDATOR is an upgrade" get it? Get it? Didn't work for TERMINATOR "Genesys" won't work for PREDATOR.

I read an interesting article on why THE PREDATOR flopped (other than f**king with the PREDATOR legacy).
- Nothing we haven't scene before- PREDATOR VS PREDATOR and Pred Dogs (PREDATORS 2010), PREDATOR running around a small-town on modern day earth causing chaos (ALIENS VS PREDATOR 2 Requiem- 2007/8)
- Relying on knowledge of previous (and superior) film entries to appreciate in plot references (PREDATOR- PREDATOR 2)
- Suggesting without teasing a more eventful movie or a tie-in to ALIENS (PREDATOR 2- part deux) in sequels THE PREDATOR can't be its own thing and be an event movie first time around.

All we needed was PREDATOR with modern day movie making. The budget and creative teams were there but they dropped the ball.

This is what I was thinking. Is it toxic now to just dislike something?

Urgh "toxic" is just a lazy Liberal ad-hominem term used, because they can't be bothered to engage with someone in a (creative) argument based on true or false statements.

Its like quitting a game and then declaring victory because you called time and took your ball home.

Besides "THE PREDATOR" isn't exactly a Liberal friendly movie with all the "toxic masculinity" and Olivia Munn not being some Mary Sue who arm barred and defeated the 10 foot PREDATOR with her feminist strength.

Then the whole "PREDATOR statuary rape/sex offender" thing with one of Shane Black's own casted buddies and Olivia Munn using PREDATOR as a buzzword for evil "toxic masculinity" and "sexual predators".

Can someone fart to change the subject. oh well here's some Robot Chicken instead.

[Wysps]

So if there was three years between the original ending being drafted and Arnold saying no to appearing in the film, how was the Predator Killer studio intervention?  Did Dekker and Black just not offer any sort of alternative during that three year time period?  Or was there altogether a different ending that was posited that we haven't seen... (assuming that the Ripley / Newt scenarios weren't their idea to begin with.)

[The Kurgan]

Urgh "toxic" is just a lazy Liberal ad-hominem term used, because they can't be bothered to engage with someone in a (creative) argument based on true or false statements.

Its like quitting a game and then declaring victory because you called time and took your ball home.

Besides "THE PREDATOR" isn't exactly a Liberal friendly movie with all the "toxic masculinity" and Olivia Munn not being some Mary Sue who arm barred and defeated the 10 foot PREDATOR with her feminist strength.

Then the whole "PREDATOR statuary rape/sex offender" thing with one of Shane Black's own casted buddies and Olivia Munn using PREDATOR as a buzzword for evil "toxic masculinity" and "sexual predators".

....

What?

[AVP-CAPCOM]

Oh btw speaking of Directors of IRON MAN movies stepping down cause of slight or harsh criticism over Directorial decisions. Look at Jon Favreau (Directed IRON MAN 2) whom ironically was replaced by Shane black for IRON MAN 3, despite IM-2 doing well with critics and box office.

He decided on making live-action, photo-real CGI remakes of Disney properties Jungle Book (2016) which grossed $1 Billion at the Global box office.

His next movie is the Lion King (2018) which, mark my words, will also sit comfortably in the $1 Billion movie club.

If Shane Black quits movies cause of this pet-project he is a fool for writing it off as a mistake, miss-take or just can it.

[The Old One]

Urgh "toxic" is just a lazy Liberal ad-hominem term used, because they can't be bothered to engage with someone in a (creative) argument based on true or false statements.

Its like quitting a game and then declaring victory because you called time and took your ball home.

Besides "THE PREDATOR" isn't exactly a Liberal friendly movie with all the "toxic masculinity" and Olivia Munn not being some Mary Sue who arm barred and defeated the 10 foot PREDATOR with her feminist strength.

Then the whole "PREDATOR statuary rape/sex offender" thing with one of Shane Black's own casted buddies and Olivia Munn using PREDATOR as a buzzword for evil "toxic masculinity" and "sexual predators".

....

What?

Indeed... What?

[Huggs]

Is there a toxic fan in the house? Still waiting.

[funk_master_chunk]

So if there was three years between the original ending being drafted and Arnold saying no to appearing in the film, how was the Predator Killer studio intervention?  Did Dekker and Black just not offer any sort of alternative during that three year time period?  Or was there altogether a different ending that was posited that we haven't seen... (assuming that the Ripley / Newt scenarios weren't their idea to begin with.)

I'd hazard a guess that they intended to have Olmos' character back fill that section and 'recruit' Rory like Arnie was 'supposed to'; BUT the decision to cut the Emissary plotline leaves little to no room for Olmos' character and his inclusion in the "cameo role" (assuming I'm anywhere near correct, here) would just serve to further confuse the audience. As anyone who recognised him would be like "WTF is he doing here?" and the new target demographic would be like "who the f**k is this guy?" and proceed to google him as the credits rolled.

So they've probably panicked and thought "WTF DO WE DO? We NEEEEEEEED something!!!! i know... A f**kING IRON MAN SUIT!!!?!"!?!' YEAH! Now pass me the peyote and doritos and someone clean up this dead hooker situation!"

I'm starting to think that the emissaries sub plot was key to everything and that, post-buyout, Disney or w/e have stepped in to "modernise" and "re-brand" the Predator for the modern day MCU/Destruction Porn cinema goer. It's obvious how/where the film's been cut. Glaringly so. But it's utterly ruined any cohesion the film may have had and made an average (or tolerable) film into a shocking one with some 'good' parts.

[Samhain13]

Besides "THE PREDATOR" isn't exactly a Liberal friendly movie with all the "toxic masculinity" and Olivia Munn not being some Mary Sue who arm barred and defeated the 10 foot PREDATOR with her feminist strength.

Shane is actually very liberal.

Can someone fart to change the subject. oh well here's some Robot Chicken instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91aifLfJHAs

Sadly there is no amount of Robot Chicken that can erase my hatred for the ending.

Well I wonder when Shane will say something about the ending, he has been pretty quiet since the movie came out.

[Huggs]

Can someone fart to change the subject. oh well here's some Robot Chicken instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91aifLfJHAs

Sadly there is no amount of Robot Chicken that can erase my hatred for the ending.

Well I wonder when Shane will say something about the ending, he has been pretty quiet since the movie came out.

But a good fart can make you forget, for awhile at least.

[Eldritch_DM]

Can someone fart to change the subject. oh well here's some Robot Chicken instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91aifLfJHAs

Sadly there is no amount of Robot Chicken that can erase my hatred for the ending.

Well I wonder when Shane will say something about the ending, he has been pretty quiet since the movie came out.

But a good fart can make you forget, for awhile at least.

That's a hell of a fart. 

[Samhain13]

Can someone fart to change the subject. oh well here's some Robot Chicken instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91aifLfJHAs

Sadly there is no amount of Robot Chicken that can erase my hatred for the ending.

Well I wonder when Shane will say something about the ending, he has been pretty quiet since the movie came out.

But a good fart can make you forget, for awhile at least.

That's a hell of a fart. 

Must be the kind that is strong enough to erase memories.

[TheSailingRabbit]

Can someone fart to change the subject. oh well here's some Robot Chicken instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91aifLfJHAs

Sadly there is no amount of Robot Chicken that can erase my hatred for the ending.

Well I wonder when Shane will say something about the ending, he has been pretty quiet since the movie came out.

But a good fart can make you forget, for awhile at least.

That's a hell of a fart. 

Must be the kind that is strong enough to erase memories.

It's an alcoholic fart.

[AVP-CAPCOM]

Shane is actually very liberal.

If he is then he scored an own goal.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/a24268458/olivia-munn-taking-down-hollywood-predators/

Not uncommon with all the liberal infighting happening these days.

First Uma Thurman vs team Tarantino and Weinstein
Feminists vs Transgenders with the hastag #WomenCannotBeMen
Olivia Munn mediating and playing mother to the child who got molested by Shane Black's pal.

[The Kurgan]

Shane is actually very liberal.

If he is then he scored an own goal.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/a24268458/olivia-munn-taking-down-hollywood-predators/

Not uncommon with all the liberal infighting happening these days.

First Uma Thurman vs team Tarantino and Weinstein
Feminists vs Transgenders with the hastag #WomenCannotBeMen
Olivia Munn mediating and playing mother to the child who got molested by Shane Black's pal.

Maybe you can't cramp the whole population into just two opposing political camps which have the same opinions on everything?