I keep coming back for more...*ugh*
Quote from: Hubbs on Dec 03, 2014, 12:54:11 AM
In all honesty I haven't heard of any witness accounts proving that Brown did anything of what was claimed accept for running away which was simply because he had just assaulted a police officer. I did however read that Brown's friend had been making their story up trying to get Wilson done for murder...as have many.
Of course you haven't.
QuoteI have said before the protocol issues may just have been simple mistakes because the people involved have never had to deal with something this serious before. Maybe simple inexperience...maybe it could have been blatant tampering but the latter is not proven and speculation.
Yes, of course we should give the police officer the benefit of a doubt and not the unarmed black boy, just as in all the similar cases before this one.
Then you ask yourself why people are protesting or are getting mad...
QuoteMissouri law may need to change yes, I don't know, but that has nothing to do with the police involved, they are just following their rules and training. Its the upper echelons that you should moan at, even your President who has decided not to de-militarise the police in America.
There is no change because lawmakers look at cases like these the same way as you seem to do, i.e. the police, as well as regular civilians, should not suffer any repercussions when shooting and killing unarmed black teenagers as it is always seen as self-defense - as a safety precaution because theoretically every black boy on the street could be, and probably is, a full-fledged "thug" (the new n-word) that had it coming. It's only normal and excusable to panic and go for the kill when a seemingly threatening black teenager is involved...
QuoteI thought the jury needed 9 votes either way to decide, so 9 people voted not to indict Wilson, that is unanimous
No, during these cases you usually need 12 out of 12 jury members to agree on the verdict, that's why these cases usually take months to resolve. There can't be any doubt.
Now combine that with the not very diverse pick of jury members (the majority men, and only three of the members black) and I find it kind of obvious that this whole ordeal benefitted Wilson from the get-go.
QuoteYes I know all this includes the various other people getting shot and killed but how many of these cases all have the same issue. The issue that the person stopped did not follow the polices instructions or in some cases have been carrying some sort of weapon. I sometimes think had these people just done what was asked at the time none of this would have happened and we wouldn't be where we are now. Sure there still might have been important issues (racial issues) to deal with but no one would have been killed.
Please do some research before you speak, and also keep in mind, when you do your research, that a black person runs a 4 to 15 times higher chance/risk (depending on which state it is) to be arrested or/and being exposed to excessive force than a white person for the exact same crime or suspicion of a crime. Same thing goes when an officer makes the "tough" decision to shoot to kill (although it is hard to tell in the statistics in how many of those cases the person shot and killed was unarmed). That means that black people in general rarely, if ever, are given the benefit of a doubt, or a second chance, or even the time and option to collaborate before it is too late.
A white 12 year old kid carrying his BB gun in the open won't be shot multiple times by a cop, who then refuses to give the kid first-aid while waiting for the Ambulance to come, and then gets of the hook, which is exactly the case when it comes to the Tamar Rice case in Cleveland, which is just one of many recent cases this year.
QuoteYes, Brown responded to officer Wilson in a way that made Wilson make the wrong decisions. The difference is that: A) Wilson is an adult and Brown a teenager. B) Wilson has police training whereas Brown was a hormonal civilian. C) Wilson was armed whereas Brown was unarmed. Wilson - an armed grown-up and police officer - has more of a responsibility than Brown - an unarmed unprivileged teenager.
You have a good point but...there's that word again
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So there is no such thing as
privilege according to you then? Everyone in this day and age have the same starting conditions and chances in life and are percieved and judged the same?
QuoteCharles Barkley supports decision!
http://news.yahoo.com/why-charles-barkley-supports-ferguson-grand-jury-decision-163736319.html
'The true story came out from the grand jury testimony," Barkley said, adding that he was made aware of "key forensic evidence, and several black witnesses that supported Officer Darren Wilson's story...'
'We have to be really careful with the cops, because if it wasn't for the cops we would be living in the Wild, Wild West in our neighborhoods," he said. "We can't pick out certain incidentals that don't go our way and act like the cops are all bad.... Do you know how bad some of these neighborhoods would be if it wasn't for the cops?'
The same Charles Barkley who voted for John McCain against Obama? The same Charles Barkley who spoke for the Republicans and planned to run for Republican (=conservative/right-wing) governor in Alabama? The same Charles Barkley who thought that George Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong the night he shot and killed Trayvon Martin (another super dangerous unarmed little teenage boy). Yeah, why don't you check what Ben Carson or Herman Cain have to say about it as well?
