Reproduction Method Official

[brad873]

and another thing, when she is attached to the hive, she has her head and limbs pulled in, that might make her invisible to lesser animales, therefor, staying still is safer than moving around, making yourself obvios

[DB]

and another thing, when she is attached to the hive, she has her head and limbs pulled in, that might make her invisible to lesser animales, therefor, staying still is safer than moving around, making yourself obvios

You do realize that the puking Alien can also stand still if it needs to, right?

[brad873]

maybe, but what if its not in the hive? and the victime may be screaming and drawing attention to the queen.

[Ballzanya]

and another thing, when she is attached to the hive, she has her head and limbs pulled in, that might make her invisible to lesser animales, therefor, staying still is safer than moving around, making yourself obvios

quite true. If you watch Aliens, you will see that Ripley while carrying newt, steps inside a nest of eggs before even noticing the queen, she has to turn around and and back up. For those not looking for an egg laying sac, it would look like part of the hive structure. When the queen's head is retracted, once again the same thing, or possibly you would mistake it for being dead and bam if you get close enough it grabs you.
Not to mention it can still use that long tail while hooked up to the egg laying sac. It just needs to knock someone down with it, bringing them at eye level with the eggs which would then open up and a facehugger would leap at them.
So I don't buy into this bullshit of how a queen is defenseless, even when hooked up to the egg sac. A queen is never defenseless, except maybe as a chestburster, but then again that is totally moot, as it is damn fast at that point. Even a queen in a phase where it is slightly smaller and less developed than a full grown queen, is still pretty damn big and terrifying. Also people are forgetting that it can detach from the egg sac in a real emergency if it needs to defend itself or escape.
In aliens it was not the grenade blast that severed her from the tube. She did it herself as to avoid getting blown up.
If it only took days for the queen to grow it to begin with, im sure she can settle down and regrow it, although she would prefer not to sever from it. But her survival means the survival of the species, so i don't think she would mourn at the loss of a mere egg sac.

[Major Alan Schaefer]

maybe, but what if its not in the hive? and the victime may be screaming and drawing attention to the queen.

This is preQueen before she is all huge...second she can runn away if she had to

[Xenomorphine]

Ripley never put anything about Queens in her reports. The first thing she knew after waking up was being on the prison world. By then, she was wise enough not to trust the company and prepare a report for them.

Anything to do with Queens was seen by Bishop and they weren't a witness to what was found in the chamber. Ripley would have no reason to inform them, similarly.

Another Alien can just start molting in her place.

Which makes natural Queens pointless. It would have been great for an 'Aliens' sequel, but we had that in 1992 and it settled the issue.

She could just be surrounded by dozens of adults while in the field. Not to mention that she isn't attached to anything, she can flee if she wants.

If the Queen seeks out somewhere dark and quiet, like the sewer, basement or woods, then something has to find her before that happens. She can still escape at the early stages, just like terminite Queens can. It's only after the eggs start really piling up that moobility starts to become a problem. By then, the issue has resolved itself.

Plus, the facehuggers would have already started to seek out and impregante hosts on their own. The proverbial army would have already started to raise.

1. Aye. She can run. Because she's not attached to anywhere laying eggs. She can be mobile. She's a threat herself.

So can facehuggers and not at the risk of the potential Queen's life.

2. Like in Aliens?

Nature doesn't plan for firearms. If Ripley was a natural, wild creature entering that chamber, she would have been implanted.

3. She's less f**ked than if she were immobile and standing completely still.

Again, how's she going to be found? By the time she is, the firsts eggs have already been laid and the hosts are being implanted. Anything which tries to check up on this new visitor is going to inadvertantly find its sense of curiosity is its downfall.

[Kriszilla]

The new idea's actually pretty good, I like it. Plus, it doesn't at all harm the reproductive cycle established in previous films.

Queens are born as Queens:

Well, yes, the one in Alien 3 had small arms and a vestigial crest on it. BUT, the A:R burster removed from Ripley 8 looked like an ordinary burster, despite the fact we know it molted into a Queen. It is possible therefore, that while Chet was born an ordinary Predalien, it undergoes a change of some sort when it discovers there is no queen present.

If Queens can use this method, why bother entering an egglaying stage?

Because, if there are few drones present, it would be unwise for the queen to make herself vulnerable by growing an eggsack and allowing herself to be attached to the ceiling. If there were two drones gathering hosts while the queen was stuck alone, it would be easy to kill the drones, and then the queen before she could get herself mobile. So, when a hive's in it's early stages, perhaps the queen would use a less effective method of reproduction that allows her to remain battle-ready.

But egglaying is pointless if they can use this method

Wrong! Egglaying is much more effective for impregnating on a large scale. The young queen/implant-giving alien would have to go round personally impregnating all hosts, which would be extremely slow compared to facehuggers, who are created in numbers, allowing them to impregnate more hosts far more quickly.

The idea sucks, why not just go with eggmorphing?

That's your opinion if you think that, not everybody does. At the end of the day, this idea is a lot more feasible than eggmorphing since it basically takes the function of a facehugger and transfers it to an adult alien.

As for Sil... You haven't seen the film, and often I agree with you about a lot of things, but maybe you should stop preaching your opinion like it's gospel truth and start looking at this from other points of view. Don't try to force your opinions and views on others.

Maybe we should all wait until the film is released before we pass judgement.

[Major Alan Schaefer]

Good points Kriszilla...

[brad873]

umm, just to say, the AR chestburser was not only undeveloped, but it did have a retractable head too

[Ballzanya]

maybe, but what if its not in the hive? and the victime may be screaming and drawing attention to the queen.

This is preQueen before she is all huge...second she can runn away if she had to

Yeah but that's totally relative. A developing queen is still bigger than a person and a lot stronger. She probably would not run from a person unless they were shooting at her or actual doing something capable of harming her.

[DB]

If the Queen seeks out somewhere dark and quiet, like the sewer, basement or woods, then something has to find her before that happens. She can still escape at the early stages, just like terminite Queens can. It's only after the eggs start really piling up that moobility starts to become a problem. By then, the issue has resolved itself.

The puker Alien can hide as well, and flee even with it's already got it's army.

So can facehuggers and not at the risk of the potential Queen's life.

As can adults. Not like her life really matters, anyway.

Nature doesn't plan for firearms. If Ripley was a natural, wild creature entering that chamber, she would have been implanted.

But she wasn't. Now, I could have firearms, walk in, and be raped.

Again, how's she going to be found? By the time she is, the firsts eggs have already been laid and the hosts are being implanted. Anything which tries to check up on this new visitor is going to inadvertantly find its sense of curiosity is its downfall.

The same applies to the Puker. By the time you determine that this particular Alien is the puker, she's got an army.

[Xenomorphine]

It might be part of the fact its a Predalien...the mandibles help grab the host

That's what the hands are for. We even see it holding someone's screaming face towards it, while they're on a bed, in a picture.

Well, yes, the one in Alien 3 had small arms and a vestigial crest on it. BUT, the A:R burster removed from Ripley 8 looked like an ordinary burster, despite the fact we know it molted into a Queen.

Because it was massively under-developed. Human embryos removed at an early stage don't look like human babies should, for the very same reason. Look at the size of it. It would never have succeeded in cracking open the host's ribcage.

We know what mature Queen chestbursters look like. One is in 'Alien 3'.

Because, if there are few drones present, it would be unwise for the queen to make herself vulnerable by growing an eggsack and allowing herself to be attached to the ceiling.

She doesn't automatically get fat. Queen termites go massive, too, but not at first. There's a considerable time of her being able to both lay eggs and forage for food, before she goes into mass production.

Alien Queens would be similar. They wouldn't need a massive sack to just start laying the first few. They wouldn't be immobile, right from the start. By the first few have been laid, there's pre-formed safety.

Remember how Ripley had to be careful of even setting one off? Remember in the second game, how tense the similar situations were?

It's a biological minefield and a really effective one.

Wrong! Egglaying is much more effective for impregnating on a large scale. The young queen/implant-giving alien would have to go round personally impregnating all hosts, which would be extremely slow compared to facehuggers, who are created in numbers, allowing them to impregnate more hosts far more quickly.

All of which is wasting time better served by finding somewhere safe to set up in. Facehuggers would be better at finding and implanting hosts. They're small, fast and won't raise the same alarms amongst prey as a fully-grown roaming monster would.

That's your opinion if you think that, not everybody does. At the end of the day, this idea is a lot more feasible than eggmorphing since it basically takes the function of a facehugger and transfers it to an adult alien.

Yes, it's more efficient. That's why it contradicts. Why would the one in the first film have done that if it was capable of doing this? The only difference could have been to create different types of Aliens, but now we know this one's becoming a Queen, not making them.

[megachu17]

*sigh* ok, a drone uses the egg-morph method to create a queen if 1 is absent, a young queen uses the puke method 2 quickly create some bodyguard aliens 2 protect her while she settles, an adult queen uses the egg-lay method so she doent hav 2 put herself in danger to impregnate a host, PLUS, she can mak an infinate number of expendabe facehugger.

[Ballzanya]

The new idea's actually pretty good, I like it. Plus, it doesn't at all harm the reproductive cycle established in previous films.

Queens are born as Queens:

Well, yes, the one in Alien 3 had small arms and a vestigial crest on it. BUT, the A:R burster removed from Ripley 8 looked like an ordinary burster, despite the fact we know it molted into a Queen. It is possible therefore, that while Chet was born an ordinary Predalien, it undergoes a change of some sort when it discovers there is no queen present.

If Queens can use this method, why bother entering an egglaying stage?

Because, if there are few drones present, it would be unwise for the queen to make herself vulnerable by growing an eggsack and allowing herself to be attached to the ceiling. If there were two drones gathering hosts while the queen was stuck alone, it would be easy to kill the drones, and then the queen before she could get herself mobile. So, when a hive's in it's early stages, perhaps the queen would use a less effective method of reproduction that allows her to remain battle-ready.

But egglaying is pointless if they can use this method

Wrong! Egglaying is much more effective for impregnating on a large scale. The young queen/implant-giving alien would have to go round personally impregnating all hosts, which would be extremely slow compared to facehuggers, who are created in numbers, allowing them to impregnate more hosts far more quickly.

The idea sucks, why not just go with eggmorphing?

That's your opinion if you think that, not everybody does. At the end of the day, this idea is a lot more feasible than eggmorphing since it basically takes the function of a facehugger and transfers it to an adult alien.

As for Sil... You haven't seen the film, and often I agree with you about a lot of things, but maybe you should stop preaching your opinion like it's gospel truth and start looking at this from other points of view. Don't try to force your opinions and views on others.

Maybe we should all wait until the film is released before we pass judgement.

The only reason the queen chestburster looked somewhat ordinary was because of ADI. Although you could make an argument that they extracted it before it was developed enough to burst on its own. It did not molt into a queen. A normal queen born as one, does normal molting from the chestburster, it did not molt in the same sense that the predalien is molting in avp-r. which is basically non-canon and something out of the comics or avp: extinction game.

And about her vulnerability. Why couldn't one drone stay behind while the other collects hosts?

[DB]

Wrong! Egglaying is much more effective for impregnating on a large scale. The young queen/implant-giving alien would have to go round personally impregnating all hosts, which would be extremely slow compared to facehuggers, who are created in numbers, allowing them to impregnate more hosts far more quickly.

Generally speaking, the Aliens bring the hosts back into the nest, and not only that, move the eggs towards the hosts as well. The only time we've seen a sort of exception is AvP, however, this may have been a facehugger that wandered off after Miller activated the shitload of eggs. I don't remember which event came first.