Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 30, 2021, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 30, 2021, 05:49:14 PM
Part of why the big deletion gets so messy is because it was a "fix" applied to when all 3 franchises were still considered one franchise.
[...]but now with all 3 being distinctly separate franchises, it causes a grey area...
Oh, that super interesting, when where all three considered one license and by whom specifically? Was that the case in official circles? I've always understood it to be that the AvP franchise is the shared universe, ala Fire and Stone, and that Aliens and Pred are their separate constituent elements.
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without resurrection, the big deletion isn't necessary, so even though the big deletion is only mentioned in an AVP comic, the concept is there because of an alien movie.
Was that officially revealed to be the case somewhere? Do you know where? I'd love to check that out.
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So resurrection would kind of have to be both AVP and alien, existing in two separate franchises, and to us... ok that makes sense, it's not that hard to follow. But less familiar, causal fans or new fans are going to be confused out of their minds about what belongs in which franchises, and why.
PS. And that's only scratching the surface of it...
Would less familiar, casual, or new fans even be aware of the BD? What's below the surface? You've got my curiosity all piqued now.
To be honest, I don't think anyone on the Fox payroll ever came out and outright said they were one franchise, but the way the EU seemed to bend to the movies strongly suggested as much. Maybe I read into that wrong I guess...
Fairly recently though, there has been some indication that Fox had decided to officially separate them. I think part of the reason for this was because Ridley Scott was pretty openly against the idea of AVP, and knowingly retconned the AVP movies with his prequels.
My interaction with most newer fans has been one of confusion. The best example i have is relating to the movies. The big deletion is a bit more obscure but all it takes is for a newer fan to scroll through a wiki site to find a reference to it. Most of the confusion I see come up relates to the fact that the AVP movies were retconned and stand alone as their own continuity now, separate from Scott's prequels, and confusion about fire and stone.
Since fire and stone came up though, where that gets confusing for a lot of people is with the "partial canon" status. The River of pain book ties in to the alien portion of fire and stone directly; and as such the alien part of fire & stone is considered canon to the alien universe... but the rest of the fire and stone series is not part of the alien series anymore, it's AVP... but on the AVP side of the fence, well, they have to also include the aliens part, the River of pain book and the "aliens" movie. It's just odd how some stories exist in more than one universe, then others don't.
The fire and stone series also started a new reboot of the EU so it ignores any of the older stories that existed up to that point. If you dig enough, I'm sure you'll find other continuity issues and contradictions throughout the EU. It's really an issue of multiple reboots taking place, pretty much every time a new movie came out starting with alien3. The EU really is at its best when it does its own thing and doesn't try so hard to conform to the movies. Like, for example, dead orbit; great story, just outside the main film universe enough to where it kind of stands alone and doesn't tie itself to closely to anything else.