Bishop in Alien 3 - Human or Android?

[SiL]

Only when mixed with convolution.

Hardly. Use a different base counting system. Nothing convoluted about it.

[HuDaFuK]

So identical relatives generations apart has been addressed already? Do tell It's not another one in a billion freak event explanation like the guy who lived with a metal spike blown out through his forehead again is it?

In fairness, I look almost identical to my great-grandfather, to the point where people often think a photograph of him in my house is actually a picture of me.

[blood.]

So identical relatives generations apart has been addressed already? Do tell It's not another one in a billion freak event explanation like the guy who lived with a metal spike blown out through his forehead again is it?

In fairness, I look almost identical to my great-grandfather, to the point where people often think a photograph of him in my house is actually a picture of me.

To the point that if you were given the same hair style and clothes and stood next to each other at the same age nobody could tell you apart? And aren't avp and alien 3 2oo years apart or something

[maledoro]

So identical relatives generations apart has been addressed already?

If you think that these guys are.

Do tell

Told. Go back and read.

It's not another one in a billion freak event explanation like the guy who lived with a metal spike blown out through his forehead again is it?

Probably not.

Only when mixed with convolution.

Hardly. Use a different base counting system. Nothing convoluted about it.

...and there you have it.

To the point that if you were given the same hair style and clothes and stood next to each other at the same age nobody could tell you apart? And aren't avp and alien 3 2oo years apart or something

Take a closer look at their hair (color is a hint); not to mention their clothes (which has no bearing here).

[Valaquen]

Obviously if this thread is over 3100 posts then the writers and director did a very bad job showing/telling what "BIshop" was.

The writers and director did a bad job of just about everything. Not entirely their fault. It's not their fault the fandom is stubborn and largely uninformed of their film's intentions.

[blood.]

To the point that if you were given the same hair style and clothes and stood next to each other at the same age nobody could tell you apart? And aren't avp and alien 3 2oo years apart or something

Take a closer look at their hair (color is a hint); not to mention their clothes (which has no bearing here).

lol

[Valaquen]

Obviously if this thread is over 3100 posts then the writers and director did a very bad job showing/telling what "BIshop" was.

The writers and director did a bad job of just about everything. Not entirely their fault. It's not their fault the fandom is stubborn and largely uninformed of their film's intentions.

... ... or it might be, I'm never quite sure... ...

[DoomRulz]

Obviously if this thread is over 3100 posts then the writers and director did a very bad job showing/telling what "BIshop" was.

The writers and director did a bad job of just about everything. Not entirely their fault. It's not their fault the fandom is stubborn and largely uninformed of their film's intentions.

The fandom is dumb, sorry to say. It's been explained and definitively said he's human countless times but people choose to plug their ears and scream, "NA NA NA, CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!".

[HuDaFuK]

The fandom is dumb, sorry to say. It's been explained and definitively said he's human countless times but people choose to plug their ears and scream, "NA NA NA, CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!".

When has it ever been DEFINITIVELY said?

It certainly isn't in the film, and if casually viewing the film is the only interaction a person has had with the character, how can they be called dumb for not knowing any batter?

[DoomRulz]

I can't find the quote as this present time, but the writers have said he is human. And in reference to a casual viewer, they would see red blood and instinctively say he's human. If they aren't overly familiar with the series, they won't be scrambling to fanboy arguments like "Well, they just filled an android up with red paint to fool Ripley".

Which brings me to point three: yes, it is in the film. Bishop says as much ("familiar face") and he bleeds red blood.

[Valaquen]

The fandom is dumb, sorry to say. It's been explained and definitively said he's human countless times but people choose to plug their ears and scream, "NA NA NA, CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!".

When has it ever been DEFINITIVELY said?

"I'M NOT A DROOIIIID."

If you assume he's lying, then that's your assumption.

You can switch the audio and listen to the commentary with the push of a button and hear Tom Woodruff and Lance Henriksen (pre-AVP shenanigns) tell you the same thing, as well as about Fincher's desire to have him be human.

Ah, it's like a religious debate 

I can't find the quote as this present time, but the writers have said he is human. And in reference to a casual viewer, they would see red blood and instinctively say he's human. If they aren't overly familiar with the series, they won't be scrambling to fanboy arguments like "Well, they just filled an android up with red paint to fool Ripley".

Which brings me to point three: yes, it is in the film. Bishop says as much ("familiar face") and he bleeds red blood.

http://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/debate-bishop-ii-man-or-machine/

^ why isn't this your one-stop shop for info, Doom? 

[DerelictShip]

  Why is this even a question? The director intended that to be the real guy, a real - human - guy. We saw the blood, he confessed about it, end of story. The only thing that screws this up is that in AVP they have the same character, but did you ever think that was the guys great great great great grandfather? Bottom line HUMAN, no other answer should apply.

[HuDaFuK]

"I'M NOT A DROOIIIID."

That's only in the extended version. He does say he's "very human" in the theatrical version, but he says it right before he claims he only wants to destroy the alien inside Ripley, and that's clearly bullshit.

Why is this even a question? The director intended that to be the real guy, a real - human - guy. We saw the blood, he confessed about it, end of story. The only thing that screws this up is that in AVP they have the same character, but did you ever think that was the guys great great great great grandfather? Bottom line HUMAN, no other answer should apply.

And Lance Henriksen has gone on record in interviews claiming the character was a droid.

[DoomRulz]

I can't find the quote as this present time, but the writers have said he is human. And in reference to a casual viewer, they would see red blood and instinctively say he's human. If they aren't overly familiar with the series, they won't be scrambling to fanboy arguments like "Well, they just filled an android up with red paint to fool Ripley".

Which brings me to point three: yes, it is in the film. Bishop says as much ("familiar face") and he bleeds red blood.

http://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/debate-bishop-ii-man-or-machine/

^ why isn't this your one-stop shop for info, Doom? 

That's not a site I frequent, lol. But thanks for that!

[Valaquen]

And Lance Henriksen has gone on record in interviews claiming the character was a droid.

And he's gone on record saying the opposite. He changed his mind after AVP, since that's what that particular story needed to justify his presence.