Quote from: Travis Scott on Mar 31, 2010, 04:50:32 PM
Even though you are being a smart ass... that has to be the most real and believable post I've seen. 
Hehe, scary, isn't it
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Mar 31, 2010, 06:07:13 PM
Quote from: Milan on Mar 31, 2010, 04:15:51 PM
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Mar 31, 2010, 06:07:13 PM
Bit of a throwback to earlier in the discussion as to whether or not Predators have honour and why they hunt & kill humans: maybe it's for a reason we, as humans, cannot fathom? An emotion we do not experience?
Who knows. They're aliens.
Yeah, I understand that them being Alien might cause us to comprehend their motives and the way they are living wrong...but It would be a boring discussion if every thing we see and think we know about them from the movies and/or comics would be wrong, just because they're Aliens.
Think about it,
I can actually kill every statement about them by using the; "because they are Alien" argument,
and it becomes valid because the statement originated from a human.
Example:
Statement: Sometimes the Predator uses a projectile for long range attacks...
No, a Projectile is a human description, this thing, it's alien.
And we misstake it for a projectile, cause it looks and functions as a projectile but that's from a humans POV.
On a deep technical level, we can't even tell what it is, cause it's made of a material that can't be found in the periodic system, so one can say that it doesn't exist.
And it's purpose, long range attacks...
Again we are dealing with something alien, long range is about distance, the Predators are aliens and they might not think like us or messure range like us, in other words, long/short range attacks, is how we describe the distance from were an attack originated, for a predator it might be just an attack.
A projectile is an object travelling through the air at pretty high speeds -- regardless of it being a coconut or a bullet, or even if it's something not on the periodic table. What the object is is irrelevant, only the situation it is in. Quite a shitty metaphor, if you ask me.
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No, What you just gave me was a human description on what a projectile is from a human point of view, the situation that object is in, is a statement made from an observation by us, as humans. You have to remember them being alien, not human.
And what we see as "blue" might not really be "blue" from the Alien point of view, so we can't make the statement that the aliens sees "blue".
QuoteAbout the attacks; if it is an action actively undertaken to harm or damage, it is an attack... well, no arguing about that. I think nobody is going to disagree Predators know what they do when they blast someone with a plasmacaster. They end up dead. You'd think they would stop doing it if it didn't achieve the desired results, non?
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Again No, you gave a good definition from a human point of view what an attack is, but they are Alien,
what we see them doing might not be what we think it is, it might be something we can't comprehend or relate too cause we aren't alien.
The same goes with how we interpret an action done by the Predator, we may interpret it wrong cause we do it from human point of view...
An action might not be an action, an attack might not be an attack, the desired result might not be the desired result, dead might not be dead...etc
Quoteget the point you try to make -- and I do not believe they do it for reasons we cannot comprehend... just playing the devil's advocate here -- but you're not doing a very good job at making it. Whether the Predator considers it a long-range attack or not isn't going to make any difference... again, why they do it is what I'm putting at stake here. Not how they think about their methods of doing so. Or whether they measure distance (which they probably do, or they won't know when to stab with their wristblades or fire their speargun... silly point of yours there).
I hope you understand that I'm not
serious,
I'm not trying to make
good points, cause it would be...eh, pointless?
Each statement on this board regarding the Predator is made from
a human point of view. And that alone would make it wrong, invalid or not plausible, because of its origin, it came from a human trying to explain something alien, something we as humans couldn't understand, comprehend or relate to in any way.
Using the "humans can't reffer to anything human when they interpret the Predator, cause it's alien" argument" is a good way to really limiting yourself in a discussion.
Taking that argument serious would leave us with nothing to talk about, cause we're humans.
I rather leave all door's open, so that we may be free to use as many tools as possible trying to figure these creatures out. So that we can make references with stuff that we as humans
know something about, discussing the Predator takes you to many places, many discussions have made me go to different pages on wikipedia and each time I learned something new about the past and present while being there.
I understand the "Alien/human" point in that argument, I even have used it in the past when discussing the Predator and its way of life but I didn't really know the meaning of it, it's an early stoppage, it's a discussion killer.
I rather work around it or avoid it altogether.
I got no ill feelings against you or any member who have used the argument in this topic,
my guess is that you guys haven't really reflected about it that much, cause it ain't without logic.
