Has Alien vs. Predator (2004) aged all that well?

Started by LastSurvivor92, Mar 21, 2019, 12:49:19 AM

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Has Alien vs. Predator (2004) aged all that well? (Read 48,242 times)

Local Trouble

The runner survived being submerged in molten lead.  I gotta think the queen has a decent chance of surviving the ocean depths.

Let's ask ChatGPT, shall we?

QuoteIn "Alien vs. Predator" (AvP), the Queen is indeed dragged into the depths of the ocean, which adds another layer to the discussion about the Xenomorphs' resilience and survival capabilities. Considering the examples from "Alien," "Aliens," and "Alien 3," where Xenomorphs survive the vacuum of space, exposure to molten lead, and other extreme conditions, it's tempting to speculate that the Queen could survive the pressure and environmental conditions of the deep ocean as well.

The key points from the earlier films that lend support to this speculation are:

  • Survival in Vacuum (Space): Demonstrates an ability to survive without breathable air and possibly resist the lack of pressure in space. This indicates a physiology that does not rely on internal gas exchange at Earth-like pressures, which could be an advantage in high-pressure environments where gas solubility and pressure effects on bodily gases are concerns.
  • Thermal Resistance: Surviving molten lead implies a resistance to extreme temperatures and perhaps an ability to maintain structural integrity under severe environmental stress. While this is more about temperature than pressure, it does suggest a general resilience that could extend to high-pressure environments.
  • Structural Integrity: The physical durability required to withstand these conditions implies that the Xenomorph's exoskeleton and internal structures are incredibly resilient. This could theoretically include resistance to the crushing pressures found in the deep ocean.
  • Adaptability: The Xenomorphs' demonstrated ability to adapt to various hosts and environments might also suggest a genetic or physiological flexibility that would aid in surviving extreme conditions, including deep-sea pressures.

However, it's essential to consider that surviving deep ocean pressures requires specific adaptations beyond what is shown in these films. Deep-sea organisms have evolved over millions of years to withstand pressures that can crush submarines and deform solid metal. These adaptations include specialized cellular structures, proteins, and membranes that can maintain functionality under extreme compression.

While the films and extended lore suggest that Xenomorphs are incredibly resilient, surviving deep ocean pressures would extend their demonstrated capabilities into a new realm. Given their fictional nature and the speculative biology presented in the "Alien" franchise, it's within the realm of possibility according to the series' internal logic. However, any definitive statement on their ability to do so remains speculative and rooted in the narrative and thematic needs of the franchise.

Immortan Jonesy

Quote from: ChatGPTAdaptability: The Xenomorphs' demonstrated ability to adapt to various hosts and environments might also suggest a genetic or physiological flexibility that would aid in surviving extreme conditions, including deep-sea pressures.

...that's millions of years of evolution Ridley! >:(

SM


The Cruentus

To be fair the Runner was not submerged for long in the molten lead (though long enough to kill a human) and it clearly affected it since it went absolutely berserk.

SM

Lead weighs 11 times more than water and it was a teensy bit hot.

Still Collating...

Runner was fully submerged for a good few seconds. And a leadworks furnace is usually kept around at 1000C.

SM

1000c?  Lead melts at a bit over 300c.

E. Shaw

Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 01, 2024, 09:44:28 AMTo be fair the Runner was not submerged for long in the molten lead (though long enough to kill a human) and it clearly affected it since it went absolutely berserk.

Indeed, it was so deranged it was going to attack and possibly kill Ripley, who was carrying its future.

SM

Wouldn't have really mattered at that point.

E. Shaw

Quote from: SM on Apr 01, 2024, 10:39:28 PMWouldn't have really mattered at that point.

It is interesting though that the self preservation instinct overhauled its need to protect the unborn Queen:


SM

We don't know that it would killed her. Might've just restrained her long enough for the Queen to pop.

E. Shaw

Quote from: SM on Apr 01, 2024, 11:03:15 PMWe don't know that it would killed her. Might've just restrained her long enough for the Queen to pop.

The scene clearly indicates it has gone into hostile mode.


[cancerblack]

And the queen was a minute or two from popping anyway, so does it really matter if it ripped the hosts head off?

E. Shaw

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 01, 2024, 11:10:26 PMAnd the queen was a minute or two from popping anyway, so does it really matter if it ripped the hosts head off?

Hmm, still would be a risk because Ripley could fall and the Queen Chestburster could get hurt.

The Cruentus

If the alien grabbed her, even to restrain her, it would have burned her as it was still coated in the lead.

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