Reproduction Method Official

[Ballzanya]

I maintain that it would only take one Queen to get things going. All it has to do is lay some eggs. Whether or not it starts physically constructing the hive material does not matter.

If an ordinary adult happens to be the one let loose, then it could egg a victim and make a Queen facehugger.

In the former, only one derelict facehugger is required. In the latter, one derelict facehugger and two extra victims.

Either way only necessitates the Jordans' to be the only ones required.

its just that the queen can't feed herself whatever nutrients aliens get, from inorganic metal or whatever by breaking it down, when she is immobile and attached to the egg laying sac. She can't delay this process or so it seems and instinctively settles down to lay eggs once she can do so, as a survival instinct.
She indeed needs at least one adult alien to attend to her and the hive.
Thus she will egg morph one person and grab one more then settle down and let the rest take its course. Which seems to contradict what we know about avp-r, as the predalien does not egg morph to get the aliens which will help tend to her  and doesn't settle down to grow the egg sac, not too long afterwards as she should.
If the theories presented on this site are correct, the queen only egg morphs when she is just about ready to start growing the egg laying tube. The predalien upon completion of the egg morphed victim and presence of available host, would immediately then prep the egg to create a drone and then hide away and start the process right away.

[Xenomorphine]

Yeah but she has to go out and grab hosts, so she can't build an egg sac yet.

Or the facehuggers can simply be commanded to go and hunt down hosts, like the one in 'Alien Versus Predator'.

Or she simply lays in wait for prey to come to her. Aliens seem to have massive reserves of patience, when the situation calls for it.

In any case, she won't be completely immobile from the start. The sack doesn't need to be as massive as the fully developed one, to lay the first few.

its just that the queen can't feed herself whatever nutrients aliens get, from inorganic metal or whatever by breaking it down, when she is immobile and attached to the egg laying sac. She can't delay this process or so it seems and instinctively settles down to lay eggs once she can do so, as a survival instinct.

We don't even know that they eat. Even if they do, she could just grab whatever is necessary and stockpile it near her.

She indeed needs at least one adult alien to attend to her and the hive.

Ideally, yes. Not absolutely required. The only thing might be to move eggs out of the way and prevent them building up into a mountain, but perhaps those 'roots' they grow at the base are design to pull them along, Audrey 2-like, to get out of the way.

[Ballzanya]

Also taking into account the atmosphere processors are fully automated; the colonists are there in case something goes wrong. There'd be little to no reason for them to go to the processor, so the Queen would have a nice neat place in the sub levels to sit around waiting to become mature enough to poop out eggs.

Yeah but she has to go out and grab hosts, so she can't build an egg sac yet.

Actually she might only need one host. As i forget. Even without resorting to egg morphing, you have this scenario. She grabs a host, the host is immobile cocooned to the wall right near where she will lay the eggs. If the egg will be layed close enough to the host to open up it should be plausible.
She then lays the eggs while the host can't go anywhere and once the eggs hatch she gets a drone via chestbursting of that host.

[SiL]

Yeah but she has to go out and grab hosts, so she can't build an egg sac yet.

Not really. In any scenario, you have to take into consideration that an investigative team was sent out; it's the only way to explain how they got those face huggers in the med lab. Those people had to be brought back to the colony, so clearly a group of people went out - Either to the derelict or the atmosphere processor, it doesn't matter.

[gameoverman]

I maintain that it would only take one Queen to get things going. All it has to do is lay some eggs. Whether or not it starts physically constructing the hive material does not matter.

If an ordinary adult happens to be the one let loose, then it could egg a victim and make a Queen facehugger.

In the former, only one derelict facehugger is required. In the latter, one derelict facehugger and two extra victims.

Either way only necessitates the Jordans' to be the only ones required.

its just that the queen can't feed herself whatever nutrients aliens get, from inorganic metal or whatever by breaking it down, when she is immobile and attached to the egg laying sac. She can't delay this process or so it seems and instinctively settles down to lay eggs once she can do so, as a survival instinct.
She indeed needs at least one adult alien to attend to her and the hive.
Thus she will egg morph one person and grab one more then settle down and let the rest take its course. Which seems to contradict what we know about avp-r, as the predalien does not egg morph to get the aliens which will help tend to her  and doesn't settle down to grow the egg sac, not too long afterwards as she should.
If the theories presented on this site are correct, the queen only egg morphs when she is just about ready to start growing the egg laying tube. The predalien upon completion of the egg morphed victim and presence of available host, would immediately then prep the egg to create a drone and then hide away and start the process right away.

I think - as shown by Alien 3 - that the Queen could lay two eggs without the egg sac.  Then she goes and captures two hosts and cocoons them.  While she waits for them to hatch, she has to defend the hive.  After the aliens have hatched and grown, she can then start building an egg sac and start laying eggs.  One drone stays in the hive and protects the queen, the other one goes out to capture more hosts.

This method is better than egg morphing, IMO.

[Ballzanya]

Yeah but she has to go out and grab hosts, so she can't build an egg sac yet.

Or the facehuggers can simply be commanded to go and hunt down hosts, like the one in 'Alien Versus Predator'.

Or she simply lays in wait for prey to come to her. Aliens seem to have massive reserves of patience, when the situation calls for it.

In any case, she won't be completely immobile from the start. The sack doesn't need to be as massive as the fully developed one, to lay the first few.

its just that the queen can't feed herself whatever nutrients aliens get, from inorganic metal or whatever by breaking it down, when she is immobile and attached to the egg laying sac. She can't delay this process or so it seems and instinctively settles down to lay eggs once she can do so, as a survival instinct.

We don't even know that they eat. Even fi they do, she could jsut grab whatever is necessary and stockpile it near her.

She indeed needs at least one adult alien to attend to her and the hive.

Ideally, yes. Not absolutely required. The only thing might be to move eggs out of the way and prevent them building up into a mountain, but perhaps those 'roots' they grow at the base are design to pull them along, Audrey 2-like, to get out of the way.

about what they eat, yeah we don't know. Im just reporting on what the site where this info was, said. I never said i endorsed every statement there, but im throwing the theorized scenarios out there.

[Ballzanya]

Yeah but she has to go out and grab hosts, so she can't build an egg sac yet.

Not really. In any scenario, you have to take into consideration that an investigative team was sent out; it's the only way to explain how they got those face huggers in the med lab. Those people had to be brought back to the colony, so clearly a group of people went out - Either to the derelict or the atmosphere processor, it doesn't matter.

hmm.. i suppose the colonists could have went to the atmosphere processor, but according to james cameron, a search party went to the derelict, after all that's where newt's dad got facehugged.
Im sure they eventually did investigate the atmosphere processor if either the hive affected the temperature in which it was supposed to function under, or if signals of a presence there were found, via the implanted tags of colonists who were grabbed from the main complext to be cocooned there. Then they would end up attacked by the first handful of aliens and cocooned.

[SiL]

hmm.. i suppose the colonists could have went to the atmosphere processor, but according to james cameron, a search party went to the derelict, after all that's where newt's dad got facehugged.

I'm just saying, it could be either. I prefer derelict, but that don't gel with some people, apparently.

[Master]

Idea of queen who can lay egg or two without eggsac is still better then "embryo vomiting" one. That would fit to theory of perfect organism.

[gameoverman]

Yeah but she has to go out and grab hosts, so she can't build an egg sac yet.

Or the facehuggers can simply be commanded to go and hunt down hosts, like the one in 'Alien Versus Predator'.

Or she simply lays in wait for prey to come to her. Aliens seem to have massive reserves of patience, when the situation calls for it.

In any case, she won't be completely immobile from the start. The sack doesn't need to be as massive as the fully developed one, to lay the first few.[/quote]

On second thought, how would the Queen build an egg sac by herself anyway?  That throws out all those other theories.  I just don't see how she could do it by herself.

[Ballzanya]

I maintain that it would only take one Queen to get things going. All it has to do is lay some eggs. Whether or not it starts physically constructing the hive material does not matter.

If an ordinary adult happens to be the one let loose, then it could egg a victim and make a Queen facehugger.

In the former, only one derelict facehugger is required. In the latter, one derelict facehugger and two extra victims.

Either way only necessitates the Jordans' to be the only ones required.

its just that the queen can't feed herself whatever nutrients aliens get, from inorganic metal or whatever by breaking it down, when she is immobile and attached to the egg laying sac. She can't delay this process or so it seems and instinctively settles down to lay eggs once she can do so, as a survival instinct.
She indeed needs at least one adult alien to attend to her and the hive.
Thus she will egg morph one person and grab one more then settle down and let the rest take its course. Which seems to contradict what we know about avp-r, as the predalien does not egg morph to get the aliens which will help tend to her  and doesn't settle down to grow the egg sac, not too long afterwards as she should.
If the theories presented on this site are correct, the queen only egg morphs when she is just about ready to start growing the egg laying tube. The predalien upon completion of the egg morphed victim and presence of available host, would immediately then prep the egg to create a drone and then hide away and start the process right away.

I think - as shown by Alien 3 - that the Queen could lay two eggs without the egg sac.  Then she goes and captures two hosts and cocoons them.  While she waits for them to hatch, she has to defend the hive.  After the aliens have hatched and grown, she can then start building an egg sac and start laying eggs.  One drone stays in the hive and protects the queen, the other one goes out to capture more hosts.

This method is better than egg morphing, IMO.

Wait were there two eggs in alien 3? one on the EEV, when spike is barking  and one on the sulaco? Hmm.. makes the queen facehugger thing seem even more non-canon. If only one egg was shown, it wouldn't contradict the theatrical version. but this is a little different. Alien 3 just had such a f**ked up script, and it was a mess. Yet we sadly cannot ignore it.

Yet nowhere in alien 3 is it clear nor stated that a queen can lay eggs wiithout the sac. Without the sac, she can't produce the yolk needed to combine with the spores she produces internally, i suppose as if she had some alien equivalent of ovaries. She can't shit eggs out, as that negates the need for the egg sac.
Alien 3 is just bad writing. This is a tangent we don't need to get bogged down in right now. This seems to be going off course.
We were talking about Aliens and the ideas about egg morphing and molting and how no scenario allows for oral embryo implantation, not even by the possibly non-canon, theories out there, that are so in depth they tackle everything that is indeed plausible.

[SM]

Yeah but it contradicts Alien 3 that says a Queen can lay eggs without an egg sac.

Not if the Queen brought the Queen from the AP Station.

And I don't get why the Queen needs to build an army?  A Queen on it's own can grab some hosts prior to settling in to lay eggs.  And if she can't she just finds a warm spot to hide and starts laying eggs until some poor schmuck stumbles over them and gets hugged.  IF no one does and the Queen eventually dies - the eggs remain anyway.

Wait were there two eggs in alien 3?

No.  One egg on the Sulaco (or dropship - take your pick).

[gameoverman]

Yeah but she has to go out and grab hosts, so she can't build an egg sac yet.

Not really. In any scenario, you have to take into consideration that an investigative team was sent out; it's the only way to explain how they got those face huggers in the med lab. Those people had to be brought back to the colony, so clearly a group of people went out - Either to the derelict or the atmosphere processor, it doesn't matter.

Ok, but what we're really speculating on is if what if there was just a Queen?

Chet may be alone for a while in AVP-R before those facehuggers manage to get the hunter and son.  Still, that may be a bit of a cop-out, anyway.

[Ballzanya]

Yeah but she has to go out and grab hosts, so she can't build an egg sac yet.

Or the facehuggers can simply be commanded to go and hunt down hosts, like the one in 'Alien Versus Predator'.

Or she simply lays in wait for prey to come to her. Aliens seem to have massive reserves of patience, when the situation calls for it.

In any case, she won't be completely immobile from the start. The sack doesn't need to be as massive as the fully developed one, to lay the first few.

On second thought, how would the Queen build an egg sac by herself anyway?  That throws out all those other theories.  I just don't see how she could do it by herself.
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hmm. ok. that might change a few aspects of some of my posts here. but she surely doesn't need help to grow it, but to help cocoon it to the walls and ceiling of the hive for support. But who knows she can probably start to lay eggs before that happens. Its not like the functionality of the egg sac is affected by whether its fixed into place or not. It could be on the ground of the hive much like it was in alien resurrection, to get a handful of eggs before waiting for hosts for them and thus more aliens to then help fix the egg sac into place for more strategic egg placement when laying them.
The tendrils on the bottom by the way are most likely either how the egg receives nutrients or perhaps an added triggering mechanism, step on the root it might open up. Has anyone done that in an alien film and not had the egg open on them?

[gameoverman]

Yeah but it contradicts Alien 3 that says a Queen can lay eggs without an egg sac.

Not if the Queen brought the Queen from the AP Station.

So the whole time it was chasing Ripley, the Queen was carrying an egg on it's back?  

Wait were there two eggs in alien 3?

No.  One egg on the Sulaco (or dropship - take your pick).

But we see two facehuggers - one that gets Ripley and one that gets the dog/ox.  Unless you are telling me that one facehugger can impregnate two people..