Poll: AvP vs AvPR

[Ghostface]

Predators know everything about the xeno

Complete assumption.

and hunt using weapons specifically for them.

As is this.

If a guy goes walking around africa and stumbles on a lion, chances are he's gonna get a hurt reaaall bad. A big game hunter specifically there with the purpose of hunting a lion with appropriate equipment and weapons has completely different odds.

I hate this hunter/lion analogy because it doesn't take into account the unknown factors of the Alien. We don't know its psychology or its physiology. We don't even know if they can be categorised as the same kind of life we are -- for all our information tells us, they could be as different to us as we are to plants.

Your right, we DONT know anything about them. And thats why they keep whooping our asses. Predators hunt these things as a right of passage so its a pretty safe assumption they know a lot about them. There's more supporting material for this than to the contrary.

[SiL]

The consistency with which the Predators fail to contain the Aliens speaks volumes to them having no better understanding than we do.

[DJ Pu$$yface]

The consistency with which the Predators fail to contain the Aliens speaks volumes to them having no better understanding than we do.

At the very least, Predators stand a much bigger chance of standing up to Xenomorphs. They certainly should have some knowledge on them and how to handle them if they've been hunting them for this long.

[SiL]

At the very least, Predators stand a much bigger chance of standing up to Xenomorphs. They certainly should have some knowledge on them and how to handle them if they've been hunting them for this long.

Should, but clearly don't. They seem no more able to contain them than we do -- and have precisely the same track record. Which is 0.

[DoomRulz]

Seemed like they were doing just fine with containment in AvP until the humans f**ked it up.

[SiL]

Cos the flashback didn't show them f**king up at all.

[DJ Pu$$yface]

Right, two f**ked up movies tell you so.

[SiL]

You want to add the comics where they literally fail every single time as well

[DJ Pu$$yface]

This AVP and AVPR, not the comics. Which I don't consider canon anyway.

[SiL]

I'm really, really lost.

Every piece of media which depicts the Predators wrangling the Aliens also shows the Aliens breaking free and ruining everyone's shit. So where are you getting that Predators would be able to do it any more effectively than either A) We've been seen to or B) They've been seen to?

[Drago-Morph]

The AVP films prove SiL's point perfectly.

First, we have the flashback showing the Predators getting manhandled. Then, the humans do exactly what the Predators want them to do (that is, release the Aliens). They mess up their ritual by getting killed and impregnated. Then the Predators take an impregnated corpse onto their ship, where it bursts and kills the whole crew (who specialized in containment of Aliens) by itself, crashing the ship into Earth and starting an infestation. The Predators decide to fix this situation by sending all of one Predator, who fails hard enough to get himself killed halfway through his job, force the humans to nuke the infestation, and let Predator technology fall into human hands.

So yeah, by the films indications, the Predators are pretty Goddamn horrible at containing Aliens.

[Ghostface]

We're not talking about containment. The original discussion me and Madass were having was knowledge of the xeno and comparing the humans from the Aliens films to predators.

In Alien, they knew NOTHING about the xeno and all got easily picked apart. In aliens, they had ripley's report, which gave little more than how it was born and that its got acid blood. They didn't know about the hive, the queen or anything really. They walked straight into an ambush totally unprepared and got waxed for it. By the time they figured out tactics of the xeno, the had already lost the drop ship and the APC and most of the unit. The rest of the film consisted of them trying to escape, using salvaged weapons to survive.

The fact that the predators in the AVP franchise (regardless of the medium) hunt xeno that THEY SET UP speaks volumes about their understanding of the creature. They harvest these creatures to hunt. Their blades, armour and guns were all bigger in AVP because Anderson said they would have to be bigger to hunt xeno. Scar showed on several occasions that he knew about xenos, their weapons, the weaknesses. Bottom line is, the Preds have always shown more of an understanding than humans when it comes to xeno, and therefore would be better prepared to face them.

Oh and the xeno usually escape due to humans getting in the way and messing up the hunt. And no matter how much knowledge you have on xeno, they have a nack for escaping.

[SM]

And since they escape so often - due to Predators f**king up somehow - one wonders how they were ever contained in the first place.

[MadassAlex]

The fact that the predators in the AVP franchise (regardless of the medium) hunt xeno that THEY SET UP speaks volumes about their understanding of the creature. They harvest these creatures to hunt. Their blades, armour and guns were all bigger in AVP because Anderson said they would have to be bigger to hunt xeno. Scar showed on several occasions that he knew about xenos, their weapons, the weaknesses. Bottom line is, the Preds have always shown more of an understanding than humans when it comes to xeno, and therefore would be better prepared to face them.

That's a far cry from "all there is to know".

[Ghostface]

Whatever. The fact remains they know a shitload more than humans about the xeno, and they usually equip themselves accordingly.