Quote from: Topazora on Dec 18, 2013, 02:51:58 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 18, 2013, 02:43:44 AM
My main beef with "Predators" stem mostly from how it devolves into a rehash of the first movie. The idea of preserve planets is fine with me, especially since the movie only shows BSP using them. They don't follow the same code of honor that the regular Predators do, so it kind of fits that they would think nothing of dumping prey into unfamiliar environs and picking them off. They're more poachers than honorable hunters.
Quite frankly, I can see the predator tribes going to war over that very reason. The predators seem like a species entrenched in tradition and honor, that to deviate from that (like putting prey on a game reserve to make hunt easier) would be blasphemous- thus starting a war. Personally, they should be in the comics, if nothing else to serve as antagonists for both the humans and original predators.
Kind of a response to both there..
In regards to the BSP's using the Preserve Planet, that was something which needed to be answered in PREDATORS which we sort of never really got aside from what answers that loony Nolan answered-- which only answered to why they use the preserve planet. To change their weaponry and their tactics. However if the script is to be considered, then they also genetically alter themselves as well but I doubt that bit from the script should be considered as it was revealed that they were a cousin race or something. As to WHO actually hunts on the Preserve Planet-- well that's just straight up confusing because unless you count the PREDATORS prequel comic, as well as the sequel comic-- it turns out that both the original species and the BSPs are using the planet and are at war with each other for territorial reasons. However a lot of material out there contradicts that idea, and even Rodriguez's own words suggesting that the Preserve Planet maybe really a prison planet where the original species dump their outcast on, also contradicts the idea from what the PREDATORS comic idea offers. And the Crucified Predator motion comic kind of renders the comics somewhat moot in a way.
As someone who harbors negative feelings towards PREDATORS and the inclusion of the Black Super Predators, I am honestly glad that they are not in the comic. You already have the Engineers as the main antagonist here for the reboot comic in this new continuity. Having the BSPs would just make things a bit more erratic. If you have too many antagonists, then things just get a bit confusing and not necessarily as focused. And I would think these new comics have the Engineers as the bag guys.
Also, having the idea of a Bad Blood clan fighting against Human and Predators was already done in Three World War. Why do it again for the sake of BSPs being in there? Fan appeal? Sounds like it.
Quote from: predxeno on Dec 18, 2013, 03:26:22 AM
I should have guessed this would happen after the DH AVP writer revealed that he was too much of a coward to include references to the AVP movies, a decision that was based solely on what fans would think. It'd be all right if the story just didn't have room for references to the AVP movies but by going out of the way to eliminating them altogether just because it's "what the fans want" is by far one of the most cowardly decisions one can make, and a rather stupid one too.
When did Christopher Sebela mention that he was too much of a coward to include references of the AvP movies? You do know that he and the other writing teams are also ignoring the old continuity of the expanded universe as well right and not even going out of their way to link them to the old comics, right? So really, it's not just the AvP movies they are ignoring but the whole twenty five years of lore which was already established. Shit, Sebela even admitted that the old comics and novels weren't even discussed or brought into consideration at the writer's table meeting. And while they aren't referencing or even connecting this story with the past twenty five years of material, they aren't rendering the old continuity moot or erasing it from canon. So if you want to follow the old storylines, go ahead because they are still valid. If you want to follow the new continuity, by all means.
Also, I kind of agree with you that it does feel like that they decided to ignore the AvP movies and the previous storylines in the EU out of fan request but I don't think that is the case. We do know that the writers have said that they consider the original four Alien movies, and the first two Predator movies, as well as PREDATORS as gospel... and while they did say that the AvP movies had some ideas, they were a self contained world which they didn't want to base this new continuity off of and they didn't want to use the old comics as inspiration. If they do touch up on anything that the old comics did, chances are it will be coincidental and nothing more.
And at the risk of being bludgeoned by the ban hammer, if you want to discuss the placement where these new comics fit in.. Well, go ahead and do so but get ready to incur the wrath of an admin. Besides, we already had that conversation and I'm not willing to have it again because no one really got anywhere.
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