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Author Topic: Guns n' Bullets - The Gun Porn Thread  (Read 14683 times)

Huggs
May 23, 2019, 02:09:20 AM
Reply #165 on: May 23, 2019, 02:09:20 AM
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I was considering a Remington 870, like this...

https://www.remington.com/shotguns/tactical/model-870-express-synthetic-tactical

I almost bought the same gun a few years ago. But the issues Remington is having with their coatings (and everything really) turned me off. My aunt's ex husband actually bought one new, and only kept it in the closet and under the bed. He shot it maybe 4 times just to practice. When I saw it a year later, the thing was rusted like a sunken ship.

That and the ejector is held in by some rivets. If it has any problems or breaks, it has to go back to Remington to be fixed. Mossberg has there's held in by a screw, so you can change it out yourself if there's ever a problem. But Mossberg had its issues too, so I switched to the revolver.


Local Trouble
May 23, 2019, 02:16:16 AM
Reply #166 on: May 23, 2019, 02:16:16 AM
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I guess I'll save that money for boxes of .357 then.


Huggs
May 23, 2019, 02:54:47 AM
Reply #167 on: May 23, 2019, 02:54:47 AM
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I guess I'll save that money for boxes of .357 then.

If you want that gun then get one and shoot the fire out of it. I'm sure it will run just fine and do whatever you need it to.

I'm just talking about my own personal experiences. His gun looked rough, but it was just one gun, and it still worked just fine.



Local Trouble
May 23, 2019, 03:06:41 AM
Reply #168 on: May 23, 2019, 03:06:41 AM
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Well, I'm not big into maintenance.  I just want a gun that'll be fine until I need it.  I'm not looking for a pet.


Kimarhi
May 23, 2019, 03:28:17 AM
Reply #169 on: May 23, 2019, 03:28:17 AM
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^ All points I've considered as well when reaching my decision.  I always assumed pump-action shotguns would be "ban proof" as well.

Not models like the Mossberg persuader, 590A1, Shockwave, etc, etc. Too many brands and models to list really. I remember the tube limit for the last proposed ban was like 5+1. I had a Persuader that held 7+1.

If you are in a shootout at handgun distance, expect misses.


I'd rather have the extra ammo for when that huge adrenaline dump settles down and you can actually work your way onto target.


Misses in such situations are unacceptable. If you can't hit the people shooting at you, don't pull the trigger. You could hit somebody else, and that comes with a crap-ton of legal, moral, and mental anguish. If someone's in a shootout, they don't have the luxury of waiting for an adrenaline dump to settle down. They'll be getting shot at. By the time anything settles down biologically, that person might (and probably would) be shot or dead already.

The goal should be to learn and train to fire accurately while under physical and mental pressure, not to still have enough ammo left after sending bullets where they shouldn't go, or waiting too long to defend one's self. If someone can't hit "center mass" at handgun distances, then they should be escaping, not risking the lives and safety of other innocent people.

Please understand that my reply to your comment was in no way personal. I'm merely discussing its subject matter.

I'm not going to go into how all this is extremely unrealistic, but if everybody plugged everyone they ever shot at the murder rate everywhere would skyrocket and wars would be won in short order. 

It takes YEARS of training to get that good in combat situations.  Delta Force literally shoots more per year than the ENTIRE Marine Corps and that is like 250 dudes.  So just imagine how much you'd have to shoot as an individual to be part of a group that outshoots an ENTIRE BRANCH of the US Military.

You basically just reiterated the rules of firearm safety, but I think most people would agree that those rules are much harder to follow in combat situations.

Especially when you aren't given the upper hand in a fight.  Like if somebody walks behind you and starts blasting and you don't expect it.

I'm not as proficient as someone like Raging Dragon would have been being with the 75th but I have been doing the thing for the US Army for eight years and have had plenty of CQM training.  Where we train in full kit with sprints and pushups to get our heartrate up to simulate what actually happens in real combat.

I'm not saying its not a bad rule to follow, everyone SHOULD obey those rules to the best of their ability.  But if you don't think adrenaline is going to effect you, or your rapidly pounding heart, or your breathing when a badguy is unloading on you then stop what you are doing now, go down to Fort Bragg, and apply for Delta. 

This isn't even bringing up the entire mental aspect of it.  If you are a normal person your body will rebel against you when you try to take a life.  Most of brm in basic is designed for future soldiers to see the enemy as nothing more than targets and not people.  If you haven't had that conditioning, which takes months to settle in (and for lots of joes it never does, google 10% of soldiers fired their weapons in WWII) then you most likely will struggle when the moment of truth comes in.

There are reasons that soldiers and police carry semi/automatic weapons with multiple magazines and not revolvers and bolt action rifles.  It's because they know they aren't going to hit everything they shoot at.  Could range from everything from suppression, to probing by fire, to the mad minute to establish fire superiority in which rounds are flying all over the place to keep the enemies head down so you can move into the positions you need to break contact, flank, or assault through.

By all means, you do you.  I will take more ammo. 









Huggs
May 23, 2019, 04:06:34 AM
Reply #170 on: May 23, 2019, 04:06:34 AM
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I hear what you're saying. But as a civilian, I train myself to deal with civilian threats. I don't train for war. If I ever have to defend myself, it's going to be in a Wal-Mart parking lot, or the mall, or at the grocery store, or in my own home. There's likely to be other innocent people around, and I have no wish to shoot someone accidentally because I couldn't control my aim under stress and fired when I shouldn't have.

You did not mention your experience and service in your comment. What I saw appeared to be another civilian talking about expecting to miss in a civilian engagement at close distances. That's what I was responding to. Yes, by all means pack as much as possible if you're fighting terrorists or gang members. In everyday life, that's not a likely scenario for me or your average Joe. That's why I don't mind carrying a revolver.

As for the body and mentality, I've shot while dealing with actual adrenaline dumps. Thank goodness it was just because I had the presence of mind to seize the opportunity to test myself, and not because I needed to defend myself with deadly force (praise God). For us civvies, I absolutely believe we should work as hard as possible to control our reactions because other people's safety depends on it. I don't want to hurt my neighbors child because I wasn't used to firing under duress and missed at 8 feet in my own home.

We're just 2 different dudes with different needs and life experiences. Even if someone can't get on target when it gets going, we should all try our best to overcome that, because we all have a responsibility to each other.

And thank you for your service, by the way.

« Last Edit: May 23, 2019, 04:15:00 AM by Huggs »

Kimarhi
May 23, 2019, 04:12:44 AM
Reply #171 on: May 23, 2019, 04:12:44 AM
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There is always going to be differing philosophies. 

I dont even open or conceal carry because of my own anger issues.  I don't want to rage out on somebody because of a petty disagreement. 



Huggs
Jun 04, 2019, 11:19:51 PM
Reply #172 on: Jun 04, 2019, 11:19:51 PM
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How's the hunt going Local?


Local Trouble
Jun 06, 2019, 05:06:37 PM
Reply #173 on: Jun 06, 2019, 05:06:37 PM
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I already know what I want.  It's just a matter of getting it once my buyer decides he wants to shit or get off the pot.



Huggs
Jun 08, 2019, 07:26:56 PM
Reply #175 on: Jun 08, 2019, 07:26:56 PM
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So I heard through the grapevine that suppresors might be going the way of bumpstocks.


Master Chief
Jun 10, 2019, 07:13:59 PM
Reply #176 on: Jun 10, 2019, 07:13:59 PM
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It appears so...you better hurry up and get yours while you can.  I'm not able to get one here in Cali.



Master Chief
Jun 10, 2019, 09:38:33 PM
Reply #178 on: Jun 10, 2019, 09:38:33 PM
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It appears so...you better hurry up and get yours while you can.  I'm not able to get one here in Cali.

I honestly don't care for them. So I'm good.
I would get one if I could.  I was thinking of buying a slip over fake suppressor just so I can have people at the gun range lose it.


Huggs
Jun 10, 2019, 09:51:13 PM
Reply #179 on: Jun 10, 2019, 09:51:13 PM
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For me, the sound is a valued part of the experience. I like my guns to go boom.

That, and suppressors are just something else to take apart and clean.


 

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