You can say exactly the same thing about all of the 'ALIEN' movies. Each one of them is 'innovative' and 'amazing' in their own way. It's the most meaningless phrase ever in the whole History of Meaningless Phrases. lol.
I disagree. I think regarding innovation it's a very valid point. Well, it doesn't mean much coming from people who will gain from the movie's success but I think innovation is important. I say as someone who despises 'Prometheus' (so this is hard), at least it's somewhat innovative. No, that doesn't mean the movie will be good but it'll at least be interesting.
Also, you really want another 'Aliens'?
Don't you think it would probably be considerably worse? Sequels that just try to replicate have no point.
Yeah, at this point James Cameron's endorsement means nothing. He... stated that AvP was better then Alien 3 and A:R. What wouldn't he endorse?
I actually think that's a fair comment. I love 'Alien 3' and find 'Alien: Resurrection' interesting while flawed but I also really enjoy 'Alien vs. Predator' and a good argument could be made for that movie being better than the other two. Hmm... well that's difficult actually because there's more to 'Alien 3' but for what 'Alien vs. Predator' is trying to be, it does it very well. It's obviously not the type of movie many fans wanted to see but it is by no means a bad movie. I think it's a particularly good movie again, for what it's trying to be.
The key part is that it has everything "that fans want". I wanted WY headquarters. A futuristic Earth. A correct, organic continuation of Aliens' story, just as Aliens continued Alien's story. Big scope, you gotta blow it up a bit each time. You can't go back to self contained.
That is a big problem with Hollywood today; "Just make it bigger". Building up can be good but not always. Particularly as a franchise that started out as horror, it's good to not just keep blowing it up.
Also, personally, I really don't want to see future Earth. The series started in space so I'd rather Earth's current state be left to the imagination.
Showing Weyland Yutani's base of operations also could be a big let down.
No one wanted a depressing, violent, gory, hopeless movie. Yuck! Alien 3 makes me want to brush my tongue.
- You're aware this is horror, right? And however you describe it, while it has a lot of haters, there are a lot of people that really like how 'Alien 3' turned out.
But I guess alternate timelines are inevitable with every long running franchise now it seems, so, so be it.
No, don't just accept it. There is a problem and it shouldn't be the case. The fact that Hollywood are lazy and keep
not bothering to think of original ideas and instead remake and reboot makes it worse.
Performing fan service is what got us AvPR.
There are many films I can think of that concentrate on fan service but AVPR isn't one. Where is the fan service there?
Bring on an alternative timeline i think it will revitalise the franchise, hell it can not be worse than Resurrection or Requim.
Yeah, it could. Those movies are flawed ('AVPR' is plain bad) but they don't mess with what there already is. 'Prometheus' does as will the sequels and I presume if 'Alien 5' is made it will mess even further. As a general rule, do not mess with the current canon. My point being, that is how it could be worse. If it's bad but doesn't mess with anything it can simply be forgotten but if it changes what there already is, that's those films potentially ruined for you... Not to be all doom and gloom.
But there's nothing wrong with seeing another way the story could've turned out
In a cruel world where death is final, yes there's something wrong with bringing people back. That goes against the core of the franchise and takes away the effect of death.
The Eighth Passenger:
It's just entertainment, people. They're not trying to re-write real-life history like the holocaust deniers.
On a film forum particularly, that's a silly argument. No-one's saying this is the worst thing ever but a lot of people care about certain films (and a lot of people here care about these films).
And this idea that the alternate timeline is the problem is beyond me. The premise of the original trilogy was that Ripley purged the species into extinction.
I never took that from the films. I mean it's a fine idea but nothing in the films suggests they are the only xenomorphs (xenomorph/xenomorphs?) in existence. The ones in the films came from one ship. Who knows if there are more out there?
What are they passing on? Random occasions that our new protagonist is going to run into Aliens
That's a fair point but yes, I suppose is the answer.
Why is ageism so acceptable here?
a) It's worrying because older actors can't necessarily act very well any more.
b) It seems somewhat ridiculous to have pensioners fighting aliens/predators.
Cameron was the only director and plot writer who was insulted on a deep level in the franchise by having literally everything he built up destroyed.
I don't see why other people see that as build up. The story began, built up and ended in 'Aliens'. What the director after chooses to do is part of their own story. I can imagine being annoyed as a filmmaker if my character was immediately killed off by the person who came after me. But if that's how that filmmaker felt was best for their story, so be it. I probably wouldn't be completely happy with however a character I helped create was handled by someone else but it wouldn't be in my control at that point and I wouldn't have much right to complain. Again and back to the point, 'Aliens' isn't build up to 'Alien 3'. 'Aliens' is a complete of its own as is 'Alien 3'.