Alien V - Facts and Rumors Compilation (Provide Links)

[Immortan Jonesy]

ADI's 4-Limbed Big Chap photographed by Mike was cool

What's up with that, though? Is it like one of the Experiments or something else?

The in between Big Chap - Queen? There seem to be quite a few mutants/hybrids anyway, with the company studying the Derelict👀

Looks more stylized than the Sideshow statue anyway

[Nightmare Asylum]

Dug up O'Bannon's comments (as relayed by Ron Cobb here) regarding his idea about the Alien's eventual evolution into "a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life" that sprung to mind after hearing what Blomkamp was doing with the Aliens and Derelict here.

"In Dan's original conception [sic] the alien race had three entirely different stages in its life-cycle. First, the egg, which is tended by third-stage adults and housed in a lower chamber of the breeding temple. When ready to hatch, the egg is placed in the middle of a sacrificial stone and a lower animal, the equivalent of an Alien cow, is then led to the stone. Sensing the warmth, the face-hugger springs out, attaches itself to the animal and deposits a fetus in the stomach. The face-hugger soon drops off and the fetus develops inside, eventually chewing its way out and killing its host. This creature, the chest-burster, is the Alien's second stage, and it simply runs about eating, mindlessly carnivorous. At this stage the creature is still controlled and nurtured by adult Aliens, until the chest-burster begins losing appendages and becomes more and more harmless. Finally, its bloodlust gone, the Alien becomes a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life of 200 years."

"At some point a cataclysm causes the extermination of the adults of this unique race leaving no one to tend and nurture the young. But in a dark lower chamber of the breeding temple a large number of eggs lie dormant, waiting to sense something warm."

"Years later, the Space Jockey's race comes to this planetoid. The Jockeys are on a mission of exploration and archeology and they are fascinated by this marvelous temple and unknown culture. One of them finds the egg chamber and gets face-hugged. He's rescued, but no one knows what's happened. They take him back to their ship and continue their exploration of the planet's surface. When the chest-burster erupts from the Jockey it goes on a killing rampage until it is shot and killed. The Alien dies, but immediately decomposes and its acid eats through the hull of the Jockey's ship, leaving them stranded on the planet. The Jockeys radio a message that there is a dangerous parasite on the planet, that nothing can be done to save them in time and that no one should attempt a rescue. Then the Jockeys slowly starve to death. Eventually, the Nostromo picks up the signal and, not knowing it's a warning, lands and starts the whole thing again."

https://mossfilm.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/alien-origins-xenomorph-mythos-revealed/

[skhellter]

i like the idea of the alien's having culture and even being able to make art

but i'd prefer it to be really really primitive -
Like that bit in Gibson's Alien 3 where Hicks comes across an alien barricade made out of human corpses and hive gunk displayed in a weirdly artful fashion.

[Immortan Jonesy]

Dug up O'Bannon's comments (as relayed by Ron Cobb here) regarding his idea about the Alien's eventual evolution into "a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life" that sprung to mind after hearing what Blomkamp was doing with the Aliens and Derelict here.

"In Dan's original conception [sic] the alien race had three entirely different stages in its life-cycle. First, the egg, which is tended by third-stage adults and housed in a lower chamber of the breeding temple. When ready to hatch, the egg is placed in the middle of a sacrificial stone and a lower animal, the equivalent of an Alien cow, is then led to the stone. Sensing the warmth, the face-hugger springs out, attaches itself to the animal and deposits a fetus in the stomach. The face-hugger soon drops off and the fetus develops inside, eventually chewing its way out and killing its host. This creature, the chest-burster, is the Alien's second stage, and it simply runs about eating, mindlessly carnivorous. At this stage the creature is still controlled and nurtured by adult Aliens, until the chest-burster begins losing appendages and becomes more and more harmless. Finally, its bloodlust gone, the Alien becomes a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life of 200 years."

"At some point a cataclysm causes the extermination of the adults of this unique race leaving no one to tend and nurture the young. But in a dark lower chamber of the breeding temple a large number of eggs lie dormant, waiting to sense something warm."

"Years later, the Space Jockey's race comes to this planetoid. The Jockeys are on a mission of exploration and archeology and they are fascinated by this marvelous temple and unknown culture. One of them finds the egg chamber and gets face-hugged. He's rescued, but no one knows what's happened. They take him back to their ship and continue their exploration of the planet's surface. When the chest-burster erupts from the Jockey it goes on a killing rampage until it is shot and killed. The Alien dies, but immediately decomposes and its acid eats through the hull of the Jockey's ship, leaving them stranded on the planet. The Jockeys radio a message that there is a dangerous parasite on the planet, that nothing can be done to save them in time and that no one should attempt a rescue. Then the Jockeys slowly starve to death. Eventually, the Nostromo picks up the signal and, not knowing it's a warning, lands and starts the whole thing again."

https://mossfilm.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/alien-origins-xenomorph-mythos-revealed/

The deadly Alien being the larva of the butterfly, to culminate in a cruel but sentient Alien culture is quite Lovecraftian! and the Space Jockeys as those who comes before humans when it comes to encounters with the Alien species

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Ok, maybe Neill wasn't the man to execute such madness, but without falling too far into Fire & Stone territory, it's still an interesting What If scenario. Even so, I would like to see Blomkamp's story in graphic novel form...it doesn't hurt anything or anyone!

[SiL]

I'd read it as a novel or comic.

Aye, same.

Preferably with real art, if they go the comic route.

Sal Larroca then?

I think Sal is the quality the idea deserves.

[PAS Spinelli]

I think directors and writers should stop making shitty scripts with the idea of revolutionizing the franchise and explaining things and instead work with what they already had.

[Nightmare Asylum]

Ha, I actually bought a copy of that card a couple months back. Was at a card show and they had some loose singles from the original Alien set (which I only have a handful of cards from, despite having a complete Alien: Legacy base set and a near complete Alien 3 set). I've always been super impressed/captivated by the imagery on display on that card, every time I've seen it online, so I had to snatch it the second I saw one in person.

[Thatguy2068]

i like the idea of the alien's having culture and even being able to make art

but i'd prefer it to be really really primitive -
Like that bit in Gibson's Alien 3 where Hicks comes across an alien barricade made out of human corpses and hive gunk displayed in a weirdly artful fashion.

Yeah, I like that idea can easily fit with alien labyrinth hive scene

[Nostromo]

[Woppedy Tink]

I think I speak for most rational fans when I say THANK GOD this garbage idea never got off the ground.

[solace97]

Thank god this movie was never made.

[0321recon]

Talk about dodging a bullet. Not a fan of what happened in Covenant, but you can chalk that to David creating a subspecies of the Xeno from Engineer blueprints, but what Neil wanted to...oh man. Nope.

[Immortan Jonesy]

I'd read it as a novel or comic.

Aye, same.

Preferably with real art, if they go the comic route.

Sal Larroca then?

I think Sal is the quality the idea deserves.

there's room for Woman in the Dark in such a demented fan fiction-like narrative!

[GrimmVision]

I never want to sympathize with the Alien. If we ever get to that point in the films, the horror these creatures stir within my mind would be rendered null. Resurrection almost went there with the Newborn but pulled back just as fast.

I absolutely appreciate the callback to original ideas by O'Bannon but I do think that Ridley relocating the ideas of a society with art and architecture to the Engineers was the better move. While it expands on old ideas being brought back and showcased within new films, it also keeps the scary, unknowable horror of the Alien.

I would, however, love to see Blomkamp's script realized through an audio drama, comic, or novelization!

[Nightmare Asylum]

I never want to sympathize with the Alien. If we ever get to that point in the films, the horror these creatures stir within my mind would be rendered null. Resurrection almost went there with the Newborn.

I absolutely appreciate the callback to original ideas by O'Bannon but I do think that Ridley relocating the ideas of a society with art and architecture to the Engineers was the better move. While it expands on old ideas being brought back and showcased within new films, it also keeps the scary, unknowable horror of the Alien.

I would, however, love to see Blomkamp's script realized through an audio drama, comic, or novelization!

I do think Resurrection gets away with what it did with the Newborn, by nature of the creature being so significantly human via the extraordinary circumstances of how it came to be. But that's an exception, not a rule.

I'm of two minds about this whole thing we're learning here about Blomkamp's ideas regarding the intelligence/degree of sentience from the Alien. On one hand, this is way more interesting a concept than I ever expected to see from Blomkamp's project. On the other, the execution of such an idea can be incredibly tacky in execution (and likely would have been, if the Kenner mech suits and some of the hybrids are anything to go by). Who knows how it would have played on screen, or what it would have done for/to the creature retroactively and moving forward.

I genuinely do want to see this done as a comic or book or something now, though. This new detail is the first little tidbit about the whole project that's really set a bit of a lightbulb off in my head, even if it is mostly in a "What If?" sort of way.