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Started by Xhan, Apr 29, 2009, 01:59:42 AM

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Mustafuk

Mustafuk

#15
Quoteit's just a dumb bug doing dumb bug things.
I,ve always blamed Cameron for this. He made the perfect sequel, but destroyed the original alien behaviour and concept in the try.

Anyway, are you updating the first post as soon as we get some new info, and so on?

locusta

locusta

#16
Quote from: Xhan on Apr 30, 2009, 06:22:34 AM
... I'd rather have sinister intent of purpose...

Spoken from my heart! They are intelligent and selective. The cat and mouse play with Douglas in the ventilation system, finding the way to the Narcissus and hiding there and the Jonsey Alien sceen, gave me allways the true picture, that they are no blind-raging-killing-machines.

Even if they are bioweapons from the "Jockey" species, untill now we have no clue about the Xeno´s own agenda.

Mustafuk

Mustafuk

#17
Don,t be that excited buddy, we,re just a few "alien" lovers against countless legions of commercial buggy buggy alien fans.

In this community no one can hear us scream in favour of the gigerbug.

Edited: The narcissus scene you say, imo, perfectly shows the kind of thing the human alien actually is. A master piece of a scene. Too good to be true, right?

Sykopathic

Sykopathic

#18
I think you mean Dallas.

Cameron IMO didn't show them as just "mindless bugs" either.
First they used hit and run tactics on the Marines in the Processing Station. Later they cut the power before the attack on Operations.

While obviously not over intelligent, they weren't portrayed as "mindless bugs" in Aliens. For that see AvP:R. Buglike? Yes I can see that easily. Mindless? Not so much. Though I can understand where some get that impression. But this is all just my opinion.

locusta

locusta

#19
Quote from: Sykopathic on Apr 30, 2009, 08:43:37 AM
I think you mean Dallas.


...god, I´m stupid. That´s a reason to kick me from the board...

About cutting the powerline and other strategies, you are right. Of course it is easier to handle the personality and abilities of a sole creature instead of having a horde. Anyway, there still would be the "Hive-intelligence", observed by the Queen.

Mustafuk

Mustafuk

#20
Quote from: Sykopathic on Apr 30, 2009, 08:43:37 AM
I think you mean Dallas.

Cameron IMO didn't show them as just "mindless bugs" either.
First they used hit and run tactics on the Marines in the Processing Station. Later they cut the power before the attack on Operations.

While obviously not over intelligent, they weren't portrayed as "mindless bugs" in Aliens. For that see AvP:R. Buglike? Yes I can see that easily. Mindless? Not so much. Though I can understand where some get that impression. But this is all just my opinion.
You,re right too, in aliens they weren,t mindless, and I admit the whole film as the sequel to my favourite film is priceless, not all the franchises out there can say such thing imo

The thing I never to see is why they don,t use models of the warrior similar to Locusta,s, or just the original warrior and that,s all..., is it that much?

Aliens forever too, and It all was just about the atmosphere too..., those were good times for the alien movies.

Back on topic, I,d say that list needs to be seriously updated after E3 ; also, I,ll be glad if ACM is shown too, at least some little teaser or something, and then the: " just one year more guys, we have to release avp3 first, is looking cool right? ;D

Xenomorphine

Xenomorphine

#21
Quote from: Xhan on Apr 30, 2009, 06:22:34 AM
There were selected points of interaction but they were always set up as "accidents", Alien "randomly" scratches some shit that mysteriously always causes causality hijinks. I'd rather have sinister intent of purpose, as you say. The Alien has never been given that kind of credit since the first movie. It's just a dumb bug doing dumb bug things.

'Resurrection' and 'Alien Versus Predator' both depicted them luring prey into traps with the bait of tools.

'Alien 3' had the candle thing going on, but it was always ambiguous as to what the definite cause of it was.

Quote from: Mustafuk on Apr 30, 2009, 07:01:50 AM
In this community no one can hear us scream in favour of the gigerbug.

The majority usually chime in with a preference for the first film, actually.

My own happens to be for the second, although some of that's probably to do with remembering my disappointment at not seeing the cocoon sequence, back when I first saw it. I remembered paying masses of attention to the 'Giger's Alien' book and the descriptions in the novelisation and to see none of it on screen... I was a teenager, but it was a really anticlimactic thing for me.

It's reinserted now, but behaviour-wise, I think the differences are more situational than anything else (had the Marines been unarmed, the creatures might well have spent more time gloating over them and stuff; they simply couldn't afford to and had probably got used to using different tactics against the colonists, for sake of practicality). This has been debated far more in the specialised forum, though. You'd be better to reignite this debate over there.

Mustafuk

Mustafuk

#22
Perhaps the intelligence of the aliens depends on the situation; all those under the influence of some sort of hive mnd (aliens) can,t be very smart, probably lack creativity and can,t takek the iniitiative like the first one did;  just follow orders like bots, so I mean, most appealing factor in the first alien is just gone in the warrior.

Xhan

Xhan

#23
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 30, 2009, 10:22:28 AM
'Resurrection' and 'Alien Versus Predator' both depicted them luring prey into traps with the bait of tools.

'Alien 3' had the candle thing going on, but it was always ambiguous as to what the definite cause of it was.

The majority usually chime in with a preference for the first film, actually.

My own happens to be for the second, although some of that's probably to do with remembering my disappointment at not seeing the cocoon sequence, back when I first saw it. I remembered paying masses of attention to the 'Giger's Alien' book and the descriptions in the novelisation and to see none of it on screen... I was a teenager, but it was a really anticlimactic thing for me.

It's reinserted now, but behaviour-wise, I think the differences are more situational than anything else (had the Marines been unarmed, the creatures might well have spent more time gloating over them and stuff; they simply couldn't afford to and had probably got used to using different tactics against the colonists, for sake of practicality). This has been debated far more in the specialised forum, though. You'd be better to reignite this debate over there.

Spiders do both of those things rather mindlessly as afterthoughts, alligators realize human vision sucks in the dark. Marked intelligence not required.

AvPvTerminator

AvPvTerminator

#24
Quote from: Xhan on May 13, 2009, 08:37:35 PM
The Predator will have the ability to capture and reproduce sound. Whehter this is dynamic or scripted is unknown.

Mmmmm, this sounds cool.

Aeus

Aeus

#25
Gonna sticky this as its going to be a useful go to point for all the information we have so far.

Chris!(($$))!

Chris!(($$))!

#26
Quote from: Xhan on Apr 30, 2009, 06:22:34 AM
There were selected points of interaction but they were always set up as "accidents", Alien "randomly" scratches some shit that mysteriously always causes causality hijinks. I'd rather have sinister intent of purpose, as you say. The Alien has never been given that kind of credit since the first movie. It's just a dumb bug doing dumb bug things.

I agree. Even in ALIENS the Xenomorphs only did a few intelligent things. Shutting down the power, using the ceilings and floor and the Queen immediately realized the threat of fire and weapons. Xenomorphs should be able to gain knowledge after seeing enemies use it. Such as a Xenomorph ready to take down a human. The human starts opening a door. Xenomorph kills human, uses head-bite. Perhaps knowledge is gained and the Xenomorph can now use similar doors and send this information back to the Hive Mind providing with team play for MP.

n3m0

n3m0

#27
Quote from: locusta on Apr 30, 2009, 06:55:48 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Apr 30, 2009, 06:22:34 AM
... I'd rather have sinister intent of purpose...

Spoken from my heart! They are intelligent and selective. The cat and mouse play with Douglas in the ventilation system, finding the way to the Narcissus and hiding there and the Jonsey Alien sceen, gave me allways the true picture, that they are no blind-raging-killing-machines.

Even if they are bioweapons from the "Jockey" species, untill now we have no clue about the Xeno´s own agenda.

Quote from: Mustafuk on Apr 30, 2009, 07:01:50 AM
Don,t be that excited buddy, we,re just a few "alien" lovers against countless legions of commercial buggy buggy alien fans.

In this community no one can hear us scream in favour of the gigerbug.

Edited: The narcissus scene you say, imo, perfectly shows the kind of thing the human alien actually is. A master piece of a scene. Too good to be true, right?

there are more of us then you think ;)

Chris!(($$))!

Chris!(($$))!

#28
Unfortunately its unlikely a Xeno will ever gets it respect back in an AvP related material.

Chet

Chet

#29
Quote from: Xhan on Apr 29, 2009, 01:59:42 AMTakes place on Colony World BG 386, the colony site is named "Freya's Hope".

I think thats a mistake, as far as i know its "Freya's Prospect".

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