Dark Horse To Reboot Comic Series

[SM]

It's hardly obscure.

It's also "very superificial" and something that one should not take "too seriously" according to the guy who wrote it.

[predxeno]

I recall that there were mention of similar landmarks and robotics tech, but any names such as that of corporations or people were deliberately left out.

[SM]

Yeah, but...

A mentor and long-departed competitor once told me that it was time to put away childish things and abandon my "toys." He encouraged me to come work for him and together we would take over the world and become the new Gods. That's how he ran his corporation, like a God on top of a pyramid overlooking a city of angels. Of course, he chose to replicate the power of creation in an unoriginal way, by simply copying God. And look how that turned out for the poor bastard. Literally blew up in the old man's face. I always suggested he stick with simple robotics instead of those genetic abominations he enslaved and sold off-world, although his idea to implant them with false memories was, well... "amusing," is how I would put it politely.

(Emphasis added).

Even if he doesn't say Tyrell Corporation (which he probably can't because it belongs to Warner Brothers) it's not really obscure.

[RakaiThwei]

We've already noted the continuity issues with the films, we have also noted the continuity issues with the expanded universe. However we also have to keep in mind on where certain films like PREDATORS and Prometheus stand. We know that Robert didn't want his film to do anything with Predator 2, AvP and Alien. We also know that Ridley Scott has also said that he didn't want his film to do with Predator or AvP. And we have also noted that Twentieth Century Fox hasn't really addressed what is canon and what isn't, and so far they haven't gone out of their way to declare that.

My main issue with the upcoming comics is their standing in continuity or even canon. Considering that they are ignoring the AvP films, as well as the previous older publications but they are not rendering them moot however they are not going out of their way to connect them with the previous stories. Some elements might be incorporated, but if that happens it's coincidental as mentioned by Sebela. The thing is this with these new stories, PREDATORS and Prometheus weren't supposed to go together. Rodriguez and Scott said something along those lines, and they weren't supposed to be merged into AvP either.

However I do understand and acknowledge PredXeno and Xenomrph's arguments and they have made some supporting points but SM and I have countered with points addressing the continuity issue and Fox's lack of active continuity preservation despite canon bibles being handed out to licensees and the fact that Fox lets them get away with things, somethings perhaps even coming from fanfiction (i.e. Yautja Prime, Xenomorph Prime). Some arguments they have presented I find really hard to buy (Xenomrph's argument concerning Big Red).

The thing is, with PREDATORS and Prometheus supposed to neither having anything to do with each other and certain films in the respective entries.. These new comics, should they even really be counted as canon despite what Ridley Scott and Rodriguez say? From what Xenomrph and PredXeno say, as long as one works to tie in the continuity issues and re-work them, then yes. But the issue I have with that is that the fan theories tying in Weyland Industries and Weyland Corp are just that, fan theories and in no way official. Also, considering that Dark Horse, or rather specifically the writers are third party is a bit new to me. I mean EU material is just that, secondary tier material that cannot override the primary tier material. And the writers happen to be third party sources, who state that in their opinion, Prometheus and PREDATORS are canon with each other. Which brings me back to Robert and Ridley, two people who worked on the primary sources and are primary contributors, who happen to say otherwise.

Fox hasn't said any word, and likely won't.

We know that these new comics are a new and perhaps separate continuity based on what they have mentioned in the article, and from what Sebela has said on his Tumblr, but they are also not jettisoning the AvP movies or even the old comics from canon however they are not going to reference them or connect them either.

To me this sounds like a whole new and separate continuity, and based from what was gathered it suggests that. Another spin-off or side story of the sort.. Kind of like the Hish mythos or something. I'm still trying to make sense of this..

My head hurts thinking about this.

-Rakai'Thwei

[SM]

Consider this though - Scott Allie and co. have made no claims about these comics being canonical as far as I can see.

At least not yet.

Perhaps not wanting to pull a Pitchford.

Ultimately the only thing that matters is if they tell interesting stories or not.  Canon is really neither here nor there.  I'm not overhauling the film timeline to incorporate comic books, or Titan's forthcoming novel trilogy.  Because no future films are going to be beholden to a comic.  It's just more Banned Histories. 

[jeffchow]

Is their an omnibus collection of these comics similar to dredd complete case files

[SM]

There's six Aliens omnibii, four Predator ones and two AvPs.

You can pick them up for $14.99 (USD) a throw on the Dark Horse website.

[Xenomrph]

Well obviously it doesn't.

By design.

The film is ambiguous about the Charles vs. Peter thing, but Fox would've approved all the promotional material, which unequivocally ignores AvP in the Prometheus continuity.

Not so much "ignores" as opposed to "is deliberately vague".

The thing is this with these new stories, PREDATORS and Prometheus weren't supposed to go together. Rodriguez and Scott said something along those lines, and they weren't supposed to be merged into AvP either.

The thing to consider is that originally, Alien and Predator "weren't supposed to go together", but here we are.

I mean EU material is just that, secondary tier material that cannot override the primary tier material.

Ehhh, that's not always true. There are franchises where the "original source" material has been overridden, such as Stargate.

And the writers happen to be third party sources, who state that in their opinion, Prometheus and PREDATORS are canon with each other.

More accurately, I'd say they're mixing these properties together with Fox's blessing, as has been the case with modern EU material for well over a decade now.
I bet someone could even ask a Dark Horse person if they have any idea what Fox thinks of the matter, as has been done in the past.

We know that these new comics are a new and perhaps separate continuity based on what they have mentioned in the article, and from what Sebela has said on his Tumblr, but they are also not jettisoning the AvP movies or even the old comics from canon however they are not going to reference them or connect them either.

If they're not going to jettison the older stuff, then by definition it's not a separate continuity.

He could mean "continuity" in the storytelling sense - he's not following from any plot threads from the old comic books and whatnot, but it's still set in the same overarching "world". That's the impression I'm getting, since he's talking about not necessarily referencing the older stuff, but not overwriting it either.

To me this sounds like a whole new and separate continuity, and based from what was gathered it suggests that. Another spin-off or side story of the sort.. Kind of like the Hish mythos or something. I'm still trying to make sense of this..

My head hurts thinking about this.

Like I said before, I think we're better off waiting to see how it plays out.

[predxeno]

Yeah, but...

A mentor and long-departed competitor once told me that it was time to put away childish things and abandon my "toys." He encouraged me to come work for him and together we would take over the world and become the new Gods. That's how he ran his corporation, like a God on top of a pyramid overlooking a city of angels. Of course, he chose to replicate the power of creation in an unoriginal way, by simply copying God. And look how that turned out for the poor bastard. Literally blew up in the old man's face. I always suggested he stick with simple robotics instead of those genetic abominations he enslaved and sold off-world, although his idea to implant them with false memories was, well... "amusing," is how I would put it politely.

(Emphasis added).

Even if he doesn't say Tyrell Corporation (which he probably can't because it belongs to Warner Brothers) it's not really obscure.

It's obscure in the sense that nothing is DEFINITIVELY stated in this blurb; if different names were presented in a future installment, then any connection to Bladerunner would be effectively negated.

[SM]

There's no connection to Blade Runner now.  As CdL says, he wrote that bit for the Blu Ray as a joke Easter Egg.

Though it is odd that you'd argue about that being definative (or not), when most of the stuff you use to try and resolve the endless EU conflicts is plucked out of the ether and generally apropos of nothing.

[predxeno]

I work with what I got.

[SM]

You'll have more soon.

Which will only confuse things further. 

[CainsSon]

<p><a href=\"http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2013/07/25/prometheus-comic-announced/\">Earlier this year</a> we reported that Dark Horse would be launching a Prometheus comic series. Over the past several days news has been emerging that Dark Horse would also be launching new Alien, Predator and versus series. However, according to this <a href=\"http://io9.com/exclusive-details-on-the-comic-relaunch-of-alien-preda-1443548904\" target=\"_blank\">io9 article</a> Dark Horse intends to reboot the comic franchise and bridge all four franchises into a single continuity:</p><p><em>"The level of collaboration here between the writers is pretty phenomenal, actually. Chris, Paul, and Joshua are all friends of mine who I hang out with on a regular basis, but it was an interesting experience getting to sit together in one room with them and hash out the intricacies of these various characters and their individual stories, and how they would sync up and interact. When Scott brought me onboard, he described it as a "writer's room," which is something that I hadn't really been a part of before."</em></p><p><a href=\"http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/10102013_01.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[18913]\"><img class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-18914\" alt=\"10102013_01\" src=\"http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/10102013_01.jpg\" width=\"500\" height=\"366\" /></a></p><p>The io9 article includes brief interviews with writers of all four series and includes several pieces of concept art by the series artists. I for one am very interested in this news. A solid EU continuity is something that the Aliens/Predator franchise just don't have. I'm excited to see where this goes.</p><p><a href=\"http://www.avpgalaxy.net/?p=18913\">Link To Post</a>

This is awful news. This, you realize, means we will have some sort of ancient civilization of man as visited by Engineers and Predators at once crap. I am very apprehensive. I'd rather see them do something like link the 3 universes over different unrelated seasons of a TV series. But the key word there, is UNRELATED, except within the same universe.

[Dill-On]

Patric Reynolds is my one of favourite artists.

[SM]

This is awful news. This, you realize, means we will have some sort of ancient civilization of man as visited by Engineers and Predators at once crap. I am very apprehensive.

So don't buy them then.