Prey Catch All Thread

[SiL]

Is it? Guy claims something is racist and the defence is "no see this racist guy said it earlier".

If it's everywhere and then some there should be plenty of examples from people who weren't racist to make the point, no?

While we're at it, Daniken was also mad racist and suggests in Signs of the Gods? that aliens programmed white and yellow races into humans because "the black race was a failure".

[Kradan]

IMO It's just ain't worth it to get mad about characters not being played by actual Native Americans in what amounts to less than 5 minutes of flashback. And SuperiorIronman already explained why Predators teaching fictional ancient civilisation how to build super-sophisticated pyramids doesn't count as racism

[OmegaZilla]

Is it? Guy claims something is racist and the defence is "no see this racist guy said it earlier".

It's a storytelling device. Nothing more, nothing less. Isolating AvP for it is silly

If it's everywhere and then some there should be plenty of examples from people who weren't racist to make the point, no?

Ok so The Shapes, The Eternals comic, 2001, Quatermass and the Pit, Doctor Who, X-Files, Battlestar Galactica, Hitchhiker's Guide, StarGate movie & series, Star Trek, Mission to Mars (obviously), Transformers... need more? 

While we're at it, Daniken was also mad racist and suggests in Chariots of the Gods that aliens programmed white and yellow races into humans because "the black race was a failure".

yeah von daniken cray

[SiL]

IMO It's just ain't worth it to get mad about characters not being played by actual Native Americans in what amounts to less than 5 minutes of flashback. And SuperiorIronman already explained why Predators teaching fictional ancient civilisation how to build super-sophisticated pyramids doesn't count as racism

Anderson said he was inspired by Chariots of the Gods, written by a guy who wrote in a follow up book that maybe aliens made white peoples because black people were a failure.

The whole "ancient aliens built the ancient world" idea is largely based on a foundation of racism. People who pull it out as a storytelling device are playing into it wittingly or not.

It's worth noting that 2001, Mission to Mars, and Quatermass and the Pit don't actually feature the trope.

Is it worth getting mad about? Depends on the person, but it's worth acknowledging what it is.

[OmegaZilla]

It's worth noting that 2001, Mission to Mars, and Quatermass and the Pit don't actually feature the trope.

Oh but they do. 2001 (novel & film) says aliens are responsible for the rise of humanity and so does Quatermass and the Pit - and so does Mission to Mars

that is unless you want to distinguish between three tropes - 'Ancient Astronauts' and 'Pseudo-Panspermia' and 'Evolution kickstarters' (?)

or if you liken 'Ancient Astronauts' to 'Burden of the White Man' (which is a connection that can be made, I guess)

fact that Von Daniken was racist doesn't mean derivates of it are, really. 'Beauty and the Beast' has despicable origins as a tale, but the 1991 Disney film spins it into something that works. Alien is a Lovecraft derivate etc etc etc

Prometheus is also a Von Daniken derivate, ironically, so if AvP is racist, so is Prometheus. I guess Blabel won't like that...

[Immortan Jonesy]

Yeah, Mission to Mars was more like directed panspermia...

[SiL]

Ancient aliens teaching humans how to build complex structures is not the same nor analogous to panspermia or the non interventionist guidance in stories like 2001.

The monolith sparked the change that turned animal to man, the aliens didn't come down and make all of our ancient, non white achievements.

Anderson doesn't rewrite the underlying narrative, he just says the aliens in question were Predators. But our ancient achievements were still theirs.

[OmegaZilla]

Ancient aliens teaching humans how to build complex structures is not the same nor analogous to panspermia or the non interventionist guidance in stories like 2001.

guidance is a form of intervention, especially if it involves literally manipulating intelligence & genetic code

so that would make our evolutionary history someone else's achievement which is tres raciste... I guess? Or immoral, whatever the preferred term

[edit] back on topic, I really need a Prey steelbook as soon as possible

[AlienatedPredator]

I'm not reading 143 pages. So . . . how is Feral so unfazed by horrific injuries? He gets a large spear right through his chest and just pulls it through, and . . . ?

[SiL]

It's through his shoulder, and he's clearly from the 80s action school of shoulders being made of disposable soft tissue.

[Local Trouble]

It's through his shoulder, and he's clearly from the 80s action school of shoulders being made of disposable soft tissue.

Probably why McTiernan parodied his "flesh wound" in Last Action Hero.

[SuperiorIronman]

I'm not reading 143 pages. So . . . how is Feral so unfazed by horrific injuries? He gets a large spear right through his chest and just pulls it through, and . . . ?

Predators are established as being able to tank a ton of damage. They seemingly are naturally resilient to the point losing a limb and several gun shots are a problem, but not immediately life threatening. Granted they will need to address it, but the films do establish they'll keep going until they die or receive medical care.

[BigDaddyJohn]

It was fun how Feral gave zero f**ks throughout the whole movie.

[SiL]

Right up there with Jason as the best of the unfeeling unthinking monsters.

[Engineer]

Right up there with Jason as the best of the unfeeling unthinking monsters.

Oh he's not unfeeling... he genuinely looks pissed on multiple occasions, especially that moment when Naru tricks him into cutting off his own arm (that slow turn to look back at her... pissed). Lol