Reproduction Method Official

[gameoverman]

Didn't seem too interested in Brett until he blundered into it.  Ditto Dallas.

Yeah but there's good evidence the alien was still molting then.

EDIT:  Actually, no, it seems the alien did attack Brett and Dallas.  It just didn't do so right away for some reason.  Not like the molting alien in Alien 3 and Murphy.

[Ballzanya]

"In my Version of the Alien life cycle, the infestation of the colony would proceed like this:
1. Russ Jorden attacked, they radio for rescue.

2. Rescue party investigates ship...seveal members facehugged...brought back to base for treatment.

3. Several "chestbursters" free themselves from hosts, escape into ducting, begin to grow.

4. Extrapolating from entomology (ants, termites, etc.), an immature female, one of the first to emerge from hosts, grows to become a new queen, while males become drones or warriors. Subsequent female larvae remain dormant or are killed by males...or biochemically sense that that a queen exists and change into males to limit waste. The Queen locates a nesting spot (the warmth of the atmosphere station heat exchanger level being perfect for egg incubation) and becomes sedentary. She is then tended by the males as her abdomen swells into a distended egg sac. The drones and warriors also secrete a resionous building material to line the structure, creating niches in which they may lie dormant when food supplies and/or hosts for further reproduction become depleted. (i.e. when all the colonists are used up). They are discovered in this condition by the troopers, but quickly emerge when the new hosts present themselves. "

- James Cameron, 1986.  The closest you'll get to an 'official' version of events at the colony.  Nowt about barfing.

That makes sense. pretty offiicial and no egg morphing nor barfing. Yet it does seem that james camerson supports the molting into a queen aspect. Then again, this was before alien 3 or the queen facehugger(only in the special edition) so how could he have known about that?
The idea that queens were born as chestbursters hadn't yet emerged, just as the queen idea hadn't emerged yet in alien, but afterwards, it is still canon. Therefore the queen molting, because it contradicts subsequent films regarding queen creation, it can be regarded non-canon or at the very least, speculative at best.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Yeah but there's good evidence the alien was still molting then.

Uh...que? Now we need to retcon Alien to explain this?

[gameoverman]

Yeah but there's good evidence the alien was still molting then.

Uh...que? Now we need to retcon Alien to explain this?

I modified that post.

[Ballzanya]

Ya mean like Ripley?

she could have been, but she wasn't nabbed, so this essay in hindsight argues that two hosts are usually grabbed by an alien about to molt into a queen. One to form the egg containing a facehugger and one to have the facehugger impregnate. These hosts are grabbed in farily close succession to one another, as the queen intends to then settle down and finish the process of reaching full maturity.

What it was born a Queen - why would the Queen egg morph if she could just lay eggs?

well.. hmm. supposely the article, website.. whatever. is making the claims, i don't necessarily support them all. But im just reporting what its theories are and apparently when the queen is about to settle down, she requires one adult alien to help feed her nutrients, cocoon her egg laying sac to the wall and ceiling of the hive and help get hosts once she is ready to lay the eggs. If she doesn't, she in an immobile state, won't be able to do those things. Implying its all instinctive and she cannot ignore the drive to settle down and grow the egg laying sac once she has reached full maturity.
And in a rare case, a backup if the egg laying sac becomes damaged. She could still reproduce, and perhaps prep the egg to carry a queen facehugger maybe. (if any viable host existed in alien 3, that didn't have a death already accounted for by something else, this would be the only viable theory as to how the egg got there in alien 3, but there are also issues with it, as we account for the whereabouts of the queen the whole time she is in the sulaco dropship and the sulaco at the end of aliens.)

i have heard the ridiculous theory that the lower half of bishop was used as material to create the egg. But then again, when did this happen, and why was it upside down as if deliberately hidden in some part of the ship, remains to be seen. I doubt the queen carried a dead victim with her from the hive and then egg morphed it in the dropship, either. lol.

[gameoverman]

"In my Version of the Alien life cycle, the infestation of the colony would proceed like this:
1. Russ Jorden attacked, they radio for rescue.

2. Rescue party investigates ship...seveal members facehugged...brought back to base for treatment.

3. Several "chestbursters" free themselves from hosts, escape into ducting, begin to grow.

4. Extrapolating from entomology (ants, termites, etc.), an immature female, one of the first to emerge from hosts, grows to become a new queen, while males become drones or warriors. Subsequent female larvae remain dormant or are killed by males...or biochemically sense that that a queen exists and change into males to limit waste. The Queen locates a nesting spot (the warmth of the atmosphere station heat exchanger level being perfect for egg incubation) and becomes sedentary. She is then tended by the males as her abdomen swells into a distended egg sac. The drones and warriors also secrete a resionous building material to line the structure, creating niches in which they may lie dormant when food supplies and/or hosts for further reproduction become depleted. (i.e. when all the colonists are used up). They are discovered in this condition by the troopers, but quickly emerge when the new hosts present themselves. "

- James Cameron, 1986.  The closest you'll get to an 'official' version of events at the colony.  Nowt about barfing.

That makes sense. pretty offiicial and no egg morphing nor barfing. Yet it does seem that james camerson supports the molting into a queen aspect. Then again, this was before alien 3 or the queen facehugger(only in the special edition) so how could he have known about that?
The idea that queens were born as chestbursters hadn't yet emerged, just as the queen idea hadn't emerged yet in alien, but afterwards, it is still canon. Therefore the queen molting, because it contradicts subsequent films regarding queen creation, it can be regarded non-canon or at the very least, speculative at best.

I only saw maybe 6 facehuggers in medlab.  Two were alive, and one was removed before embryo implantation.  So, you maybe have one Queen and two drones.  If this was enough to build the hive - ?

[gameoverman]

Ya mean like Ripley?

she could have been, but she wasn't nabbed, so this essay in hindsight argues that two hosts are usually grabbed by an alien about to molt into a queen. One to form the egg containing a facehugger and one to have the facehugger impregnate. These hosts are grabbed in farily close succession to one another, as the queen intends to then settle down and finish the process of reaching full maturity.

What it was born a Queen - why would the Queen egg morph if she could just lay eggs?

well.. hmm. supposely the article, website.. whatever. is making the claims, i don't necessarily support them all. But im just reporting what its theories are and apparently when the queen is about to settle down, she requires one adult alien to help feed her nutrients, cocoon her egg laying sac to the wall and ceiling of the hive and help get hosts once she is ready to lay the eggs. If she doesn't, she in an immobile state, won't be able to do those things. Implying its all instinctive and she cannot ignore the drive to settle down and grow the egg laying sac once she has reached full maturity.
And in a rare case, a backup if the egg laying sac becomes damaged. She could still reproduce, and perhaps prep the egg to carry a queen facehugger maybe. (if any viable host existed in alien 3, that didn't have a death already accounted for by something else, this would be the only viable theory as to how the egg got there in alien 3, but there are also issues with it, as we account for the whereabouts of the queen the whole time she is in the sulaco dropship and the sulaco at the end of aliens.)

Well hang on..  does the Queen need her egg sac to make eggs or what?  Alien 3 seems to say no, but we don't know how those eggs got there.

[Ballzanya]

"In my Version of the Alien life cycle, the infestation of the colony would proceed like this:
1. Russ Jorden attacked, they radio for rescue.

2. Rescue party investigates ship...seveal members facehugged...brought back to base for treatment.

3. Several "chestbursters" free themselves from hosts, escape into ducting, begin to grow.

4. Extrapolating from entomology (ants, termites, etc.), an immature female, one of the first to emerge from hosts, grows to become a new queen, while males become drones or warriors. Subsequent female larvae remain dormant or are killed by males...or biochemically sense that that a queen exists and change into males to limit waste. The Queen locates a nesting spot (the warmth of the atmosphere station heat exchanger level being perfect for egg incubation) and becomes sedentary. She is then tended by the males as her abdomen swells into a distended egg sac. The drones and warriors also secrete a resionous building material to line the structure, creating niches in which they may lie dormant when food supplies and/or hosts for further reproduction become depleted. (i.e. when all the colonists are used up). They are discovered in this condition by the troopers, but quickly emerge when the new hosts present themselves. "

- James Cameron, 1986.  The closest you'll get to an 'official' version of events at the colony.  Nowt about barfing.

That makes sense. pretty offiicial and no egg morphing nor barfing. Yet it does seem that james camerson supports the molting into a queen aspect. Then again, this was before alien 3 or the queen facehugger(only in the special edition) so how could he have known about that?
The idea that queens were born as chestbursters hadn't yet emerged, just as the queen idea hadn't emerged yet in alien, but afterwards, it is still canon. Therefore the queen molting, because it contradicts subsequent films regarding queen creation, it can be regarded non-canon or at the very least, speculative at best.

I only saw maybe 6 facehuggers in medlab.  Two were alive, and one was removed before embryo implantation.  So, you maybe have one Queen and two drones.  If this was enough to build the hive - ?

enough to start it off, where the queen is. It most likely expands outward, as opposed to the entire thing is built from the starting point where the marines entered. Its enough aliens to help with her egg laying sac and grab hosts and move an egg near them. Once more aliens burst from them. You then have more aliens to help construct more of the hive and get more hosts.

[Fitzley]

I only saw maybe 6 facehuggers in medlab.  Two were alive, and one was removed before embryo implantation.  So, you maybe have one Queen and two drones.  If this was enough to build the hive - ?

That might be just what facehuggers were captured, not a definitive number of initial facehuggers from the group sent out to rescue Newt's family and investigate the Derelict.

[Ballzanya]

Ya mean like Ripley?

she could have been, but she wasn't nabbed, so this essay in hindsight argues that two hosts are usually grabbed by an alien about to molt into a queen. One to form the egg containing a facehugger and one to have the facehugger impregnate. These hosts are grabbed in farily close succession to one another, as the queen intends to then settle down and finish the process of reaching full maturity.

What it was born a Queen - why would the Queen egg morph if she could just lay eggs?

well.. hmm. supposely the article, website.. whatever. is making the claims, i don't necessarily support them all. But im just reporting what its theories are and apparently when the queen is about to settle down, she requires one adult alien to help feed her nutrients, cocoon her egg laying sac to the wall and ceiling of the hive and help get hosts once she is ready to lay the eggs. If she doesn't, she in an immobile state, won't be able to do those things. Implying its all instinctive and she cannot ignore the drive to settle down and grow the egg laying sac once she has reached full maturity.
And in a rare case, a backup if the egg laying sac becomes damaged. She could still reproduce, and perhaps prep the egg to carry a queen facehugger maybe. (if any viable host existed in alien 3, that didn't have a death already accounted for by something else, this would be the only viable theory as to how the egg got there in alien 3, but there are also issues with it, as we account for the whereabouts of the queen the whole time she is in the sulaco dropship and the sulaco at the end of aliens.)

Well hang on..  does the Queen need her egg sac to make eggs or what?  Alien 3 seems to say no, but we don't know how those eggs got there.

The only way to do so without it, is to egg morph someone, as the queen apparently still would have the spores inside her body, but no yolk, or natural "pseudo host" to have them naturally integrate with one another in the egg sac. The loss of the egg sac doesn't mean, she loses the internal spores. But i doubt she has that many as clearly one egg can be layed at a time while others are being prepped inside the sac. She can't just lay the spore and have it leave her body through the opening in which the egg laying sac was connected to, since its only half the egg. The same way a sperm is only half what will become a zygote.

A gross analogy woud be if you cut someone's penis off. They wouldn't stop producing sperm in the testicles, but there's no delivery system anymore. lol. But if the sperm was still extracted and used in invitro fertilization it would work just fine. (sorry, but its the closest way to explain such a foreign concept)

[Ballzanya]

I only saw maybe 6 facehuggers in medlab.  Two were alive, and one was removed before embryo implantation.  So, you maybe have one Queen and two drones.  If this was enough to build the hive - ?

That might be just what facehuggers were captured, not a definitive number of initial facehuggers from the group sent out to rescue Newt's family and investigate the Derelict.

no im sure its the number from the group. As everyone that got facehugged would be brought to medical. I doubt they would leave anyone behind. The dead ones and the ones which they killed people while trying to get them off are present. So they sent five people out to check apparently, as one would have died and fallen of of newt's dad. (unless that one is not counted, but im sure it is, as they would want to study it. It wouldn't get far before dying.
well actually i suppose they could have sent more, but we're talking at least 4 or 5 of them were facehugged.

[gameoverman]

I only saw maybe 6 facehuggers in medlab.  Two were alive, and one was removed before embryo implantation.  So, you maybe have one Queen and two drones.  If this was enough to build the hive - ?

That might be just what facehuggers were captured, not a definitive number of initial facehuggers from the group sent out to rescue Newt's family and investigate the Derelict.

They only captured two.  The others they would have gotten off the hosts after it came off like with Kane.

If they captured more - why would'nt Burke use them against the rest?

Here, you can clearly see there are 6 facehuggers - allowing for only 3 aliens to have been born initially:

[Ballzanya]

I only saw maybe 6 facehuggers in medlab.  Two were alive, and one was removed before embryo implantation.  So, you maybe have one Queen and two drones.  If this was enough to build the hive - ?

That might be just what facehuggers were captured, not a definitive number of initial facehuggers from the group sent out to rescue Newt's family and investigate the Derelict.

They only captured two.  The others they would have gotten off the hosts after it came off like with Kane.

If they captured more - why would'nt Burke use them against the rest?

Here, you can clearly see there are 6 facehuggers - allowing for only 3 aliens to have been born initially:

whos to say the dead ones, didn't implant embryos in people, but were kept for study? We only know that two facehuggers hadn't implanted embryos yet. The one removed before embryo implantation in which they killed the guy taking it off, is indeed one of the two live ones. The rest must be made up by the one that impregnated newt's dad, and then three of the people from the rescue party. So its the queen, plus three drones. Sufficient to help set up the intial process of starting the hive and grabbing, relatively defenseless colonists. The best weapons they had for small arms fire, and seismic survey charges according to the movie. So its not hard for three aliens to grab people. Even one or two could have started the process of collecting hosts, while the others tended to the queen.

[gameoverman]

Ya mean like Ripley?

she could have been, but she wasn't nabbed, so this essay in hindsight argues that two hosts are usually grabbed by an alien about to molt into a queen. One to form the egg containing a facehugger and one to have the facehugger impregnate. These hosts are grabbed in farily close succession to one another, as the queen intends to then settle down and finish the process of reaching full maturity.

What it was born a Queen - why would the Queen egg morph if she could just lay eggs?

well.. hmm. supposely the article, website.. whatever. is making the claims, i don't necessarily support them all. But im just reporting what its theories are and apparently when the queen is about to settle down, she requires one adult alien to help feed her nutrients, cocoon her egg laying sac to the wall and ceiling of the hive and help get hosts once she is ready to lay the eggs. If she doesn't, she in an immobile state, won't be able to do those things. Implying its all instinctive and she cannot ignore the drive to settle down and grow the egg laying sac once she has reached full maturity.
And in a rare case, a backup if the egg laying sac becomes damaged. She could still reproduce, and perhaps prep the egg to carry a queen facehugger maybe. (if any viable host existed in alien 3, that didn't have a death already accounted for by something else, this would be the only viable theory as to how the egg got there in alien 3, but there are also issues with it, as we account for the whereabouts of the queen the whole time she is in the sulaco dropship and the sulaco at the end of aliens.)

Well hang on..  does the Queen need her egg sac to make eggs or what?  Alien 3 seems to say no, but we don't know how those eggs got there.

The only way to do so without it, is to egg morph someone, as the queen apparently still would have the spores inside her body, but no yolk, or natural "pseudo host" to have them naturally integrate with one another in the egg sac. The loss of the egg sac doesn't mean, she loses the internal spores. But i doubt she has that many as clearly one egg can be layed at a time while others are being prepped inside the sac. She can't just lay the spore and have it leave her body through the opening in which the egg laying sac was connected to, since its only half the egg. The same way a sperm is only half what will become a zygote.

A gross analogy woud be if you cut someone's penis off. They wouldn't stop producing sperm in the testicles, but there's no delivery system anymore. lol. But if the sperm was still extracted and used in invitro fertilization it would work just fine. (sorry, but its the closest way to explain such a foreign concept)

Yeah but we can clearly see eggs in the Sulaco and the only logical way was if the Queen put them there.  It would also be too much of a coincidence that one of those eggs (if there was more than one) contained a queen-facehugger if someone else put them there.

[SiL]

Why do we assume those were the only six huggers before all hell broke loose?