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[Kimarhi]

I thought the Spetsnaz was actually an umbrella term for all Russian SOF. 

Could well be, I don't know.

The Russians might also have intelligence about who was onboard the plane.  Could've been CIA or some more blackwater mercenaries. 

Doubt they would risk a diplomatic incident of this magnitude over some mercs or spooks.

More than likely.  Just wait till they are on the ground. 

[WinterActual]

Yeah cuz terrorizing people and shooting at police is kool! You almost sound like you're admiring these assholes. Been playing Grand Theft Auto too much? Get a f**king clue.

I find it cool to have the guts to die for your cause. You have to be very determined to do something like this.

Robbing a bank isn't a cause.

How so?

Only a rotten delusional coward can admire what those cowards did.

Only very deluded person can think that cowards have what it takes to go against impossible odds like these. Its 3 men against what? 100 cops? I bet they were even more. Also the cops signed for it - thats their job, thats what they are prepared for. You can call those 3 men whatever you like but they are not cowards for sure. But anyway remind me to call the 720 men who fought against 40k german soldiers and held their attack for 3 days straight in the battle for Wizna cowards 

[SiL]

How is it a cause?

[WinterActual]

How is it a cause?

cause  (kôz)
n.

A goal or principle served with dedication and zeal: "the cause of freedom versus tyranny" (Hannah Arendt).
The interests of a person or group engaged in a struggle
A principle, ideal, goal, or movement to which a person or group is dedicated: the Socialist cause; the human rights cause.

[SiL]

Yes, and what's the goal here?

[WinterActual]

To rob the bank and get the big money? Duh..

[SiL]

Right, and if they die, they don't get the big money.

There's nothing brave about dying for your cause, when your cause is personal gain. It's the exact opposite of your cause. It's f**king stupid.

Which you know.

[PVTDukeMorrison]

Who gives a shit what their "cause" was, they f**ked up their lives as well as countless others, too bad the cops didn't kill em all

[coolbreeze]

Only very deluded person can think that cowards have what it takes to go against impossible odds like these. Its 3 men against what? 100 cops? I bet they were even more. Also the cops signed for it - thats their job, thats what they are prepared for. You can call those 3 men whatever you like but they are not cowards for sure. But anyway remind me to call the 720 men who fought against 40k german soldiers and held their attack for 3 days straight in the battle for Wizna cowards 

So you're comparing men who gave their lives to try to protect Poland from the Nazis, to criminals robbing a bank? Get your head checked.

[Crazy Rich]

Only very deluded person can think that cowards have what it takes to go against impossible odds like these. Its 3 men against what? 100 cops? I bet they were even more. Also the cops signed for it - thats their job, thats what they are prepared for. You can call those 3 men whatever you like but they are not cowards for sure. But anyway remind me to call the 720 men who fought against 40k german soldiers and held their attack for 3 days straight in the battle for Wizna cowards 

So you're comparing men who gave their lives to try to protect Poland from the Nazis, to criminals robbing a bank? Get your head checked.

It's moronic really, those are two completely different irrelevant things, the Polish weren't trying to rob a bank and murder people along the way, they were defending their country from an invader. In fact the Polish had signed up for that for that job just like the police did thiers, so I have no idea where Winter is going with that one. Those cowards weren't defending or standing for shit, they just wanted to steal some quick money for themselves to spend on expensive things, and took lives along the way only to have their plans foiled by the police. Either obvious troll is obvious or he really does need his head checked.

[whiterabbit]

Everybody's just living their lives the best way they know how.

[Crazy Rich]

Anyways in other news, some are starting to believe that if enough evidence supports the pro Russian insurgents were indeed the ones that shot down the aircraft, it may spur a mutual desire between Russia, Ukraine and the West to seek a peaceful solution. In a nutshell, Malaysia Airlines MH17 could determine the future of Ukraine, for worse or for better is yet to be seen.

At the moment the U.S is urging for a ceasefire so that Malaysia Airlines can do it's own independent investigation.

[Effectz]

Investigators have been denied full access to the crash site after being told they would.Also reports that they've begun removing bodies and debris,essentially tampering with evidence.

[WinterActual]

So you're comparing men who gave their lives to try to protect Poland from the Nazis, to criminals robbing a bank? Get your head checked.

The setting doesn't matter. You judge people based on your reality, for you the cops are the good guys and the robbers are the bad guys but its not like that for everbody, you know. There are no good and bad guys in reality, its about beliefs. Around here the majority of people are supporting such deeds because  they can't take it anymore. Its not worth it to bust your ass for 12$ per day and the police to screw you over and do whatever they want just because they can (80% of the cops are dirty). Because thats what you get here and people are happy when someone breaks up the system one way or another. There was a bank trunk guard who stole 2 million a few months ago and all people were "good job, thats the guy who did it, he got out (of the crap), I wish that was me" and things like that. We live in different worlds man, here its free-for-all situation. Everything is f**ked up - a train derailed a 2 days ago, people that were on the spot called 112 and the operator told em "you are lying (about the train)" and hang up the phone on them - what the hell!; people in comma can't get funds for their families to help them because they HAVE TO SIGN UP!!; the capital city have 12 ambulances for 3 million people + 40 villages around the city; I can tell you 999999 more examples how broken and f**ked up is everything here. The kids are raised to be tough, with the mentality that if something bad happens to somebody - its good if its not you, because if thats you - nobody will help you, nor the other people nor the country/government. I am raised the same way - not to care much about stuff like that, because I can't do nothing about it. The country can't do nothing about it, let alone the normal people, there's no point to bother with bad things here because nothing will change ever. If I live in a country where everything is normal for a while I may change, but as long as I am here in Bulgaria where you can kill a man, pay 1k and get away with it, I am the way I am, sorry mate 

[Blacklabel]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/19/russian-media-cover-up-putin-mh17-tragedy

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