Top Gun: Maverick

Started by ShadowPred, Jul 22, 2008, 06:57:26 PM

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Stitch

Stitch

#210
Made me want to be a fighter pilot.

KiramidHead

KiramidHead

#211
It was cool as hell, but also pretty funny how the mission turns out to basically be the
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Death Star trench run just with fighter jets.
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Stitch

Stitch

#212
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 28, 2022, 10:12:54 PMIt was cool as hell, but also pretty funny how the mission turns out to basically be the
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Death Star trench run just with fighter jets.
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That's exactly what me and a mate said as soon as that scene happened

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𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯

#213
Quote from: Stitch on May 28, 2022, 09:56:20 PMMade me want to be a fighter pilot.

The original movie reportedly had US Navy recruiting booths at some theaters in America. There was apparently a 500% increase of interest in joining the Navy Aviators after the films release.

Stitch

Stitch

#214
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 29, 2022, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: Stitch on May 28, 2022, 09:56:20 PMMade me want to be a fighter pilot.

The original movie reportedly had US Navy recruiting booths at some theaters in America. There was apparently a 500% increase of interest in joining the Navy Aviators after the films release.
Yeah, I read that. Not a surprise. I did genuinely look into the Navy after a re-watch of Top Gun a few years ago, but I'm smart enough to know that reality is not a movie, and didn't apply.

𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯

Yeah, becoming a modern fighter pilot/aviator is like studying to become a doctor or lawyer, lots of hard work, study and dedication required. The carefree, playboy fighter jock lifestyle is more a relic from WWII.

The movie is doing very well at the box office:

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1530931045738106880

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1530934395271426048

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1530935747691180032

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Xenomrph

Xenomrph

#217
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 28, 2022, 10:12:54 PMIt was cool as hell, but also pretty funny how the mission turns out to basically be the
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Death Star trench run just with fighter jets.
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Glad I'm not the only one who picked up on that.

This movie ruled, WAY better than it had any right to be.

Master Chief

Master Chief

#218
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 31, 2022, 03:08:28 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 28, 2022, 10:12:54 PMIt was cool as hell, but also pretty funny how the mission turns out to basically be the
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Death Star trench run just with fighter jets.
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Glad I'm not the only one who picked up on that.

This movie ruled, WAY better than it had any right to be.

haha good observation!  Though I didn't pick up on that initially, the mission did bring back some Ace Combat Mobius 1 feels.

Outstanding movie!

Xenomorphine

Xenomorphine

#219
It's basically 'Ace Combat: The Movie' - with all the associated silliness one would expect from that concept (right down to the real-world mission the characters eventually fly).

It's essentially on the same level as 2005's 'Stealth', except 'Stealth' had slightly less forgettable characters and better air combat visuals.

The colour palette and cinematography does earn a worthy mention, but taken as a whole, it came across as less like a 'Top Gun' sequel and more like if they remade 'Iron Eagle' with a decent budget.

Mildly fun time-waster (probably a lot more so if you're with friends and/or alcohol), but mostly sort of forgettable.

Some spoilery stuff follows:

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The military side of it made very little sense, at all. For example, coming up with a reason why the film couldn't use F-35s? The film has Maverick come up with an utterly nonsensical claim that they can't be flown during GPS jamming. Even though the much older F/A-18 clearly doesn't have that problem?

They could have just made an off-hand mention about some other global crisis requiring most F-35s to be deployed there with none to spare. Something vaguely plausible. But no... Comic book-level nonsense, it is. Which is sort of the entire film's mindset.

Why is Maverick pulled off of test pilot duties? Because they need him, damn it! They need him for... Well, nobody quite seems to know why in the actual film. He's just handed a mission which crews on an existing tour of duty could very easily fly. There's literally nothing which requires his personal knowledge or experience, which felt like a major wasted opportunity to help flesh out his background.

Then we come to the actual pilots. Who are, like, BIGGER! And BETTER! Because these ones have already graduated Top Gun, man! They're the BEST of the BEST of the BEST of the BEST of the BEST! And we know that! We know that because Maverick tells them they... Apparently haven't ever trained for air-to-air combat? Like, ever? Even though they've already graduated from the very school which is famous for refreshing skills on precisely that and... OK, so, Maverick decides this is an excellent opportunity to waste most of his deadline (for a strike mission) on making them try to perfect guns-only combat.

Quite why he does this is never clarified. But it makes about as much sense as there being no escorts or SEAD. If anything, the story could have been made better by concentrating on these guys being the escort flight, but... Again... Lazy writing.

Story-wise, it's essentially at the level of something like 'Fire Birds'/'Wings Of The Apache'.

So, there's a romantic interest. Except they've cast Jennifer Connelly as the daughter of the Admiral he was once hot for, back during the first film. With any other actress, that would have been fine, but it just made me keep picturing a 'Top Gun'-aged naval aviator Cruise sniffing around 'Labyrinth'-aged high school babysitter Connelly during the mid-eighties and... Yeah, not great optics.

BUT THE FLYING SCENES!

That's what you paid for! That's what you're here to see! Stop analysing the story! F**k the characters! You're hot for some of that jet-on-jet action, right up the tailpipe!

Yeah, those sequences are OK. The SU-57 is, ironically, depicted using moves copied from You Tube videos of F-35 performances. The actual SU-57 hasn't shown anything like those capabilities at air shows. But that's a technical thing casual viewers won't pick up on! What matters is how the air combat is choreographed with the music, right? I'd wholeheartedly agree!

After all, the original was at its best with those glorious aerobatics. They were great because they were so amazingly well choreographed with various songs and the musical score. To this day, those still stand up. The situations were unrealistic, but they feel exhilarating, because Tony Scott filmed and edited that footage so incredibly well.

This time... I don't even remember music playing. If it did, then it wasn't nearly as memorable or as emotionally impactful as the original's score was. There wasn't much in the way of spirit or passion to the resulting visuals, just flashiness. Compare them to what we had in 2005's 'Stealth' and they're honestly pretty similar (although, as I say, I kind of give 'Stealth' the edge for those; equally unrealistic, but better choreographed).

The air combat sequences aren't bad, they just... Don't feel very special? The original gave emotional impact to them. These don't, they're just flashy.

The characters? They're honestly even more forgettable than those of the original. I don't think lines from any of them are going to be entering the popular culture lexicon, like dialogue from original did. Nor is there anyone with the commanding gravitas of Viper and Jester from the original. Their equivalents are there, but Skerritt and Ironside very much helped to make the original events feel grounded and broke up the playing around. They felt like guys who've been through shit and would earn respect. These ones just... Exist.
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𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯

#220
No points for second place then?

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 02, 2022, 10:29:42 PM
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The military side of it made very little sense, at all. For example, coming up with a reason why the film couldn't use F-35s? The film has Maverick come up with an utterly nonsensical claim that they can't be flown during GPS jamming. Even though the much older F/A-18 clearly doesn't have that problem?
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The F/A-18 uses an INS (inertial navigation system) in conjuction with GPS. It can still fly and navigate just fine without GPS, albeit not quite so accurately, especially if it's a long distance mission and if it had to scramble and didn't have enough time to properly align the INS during the rampstart.

I would assume the F-35 would still make use of the older INS system, but then again, I haven't heard many good things about the F-35.
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Master Chief

Master Chief

#221
The Air Force was punching the air when they heard about the mission.

KiramidHead

KiramidHead

#222
"The Navy gets Top Gun and all we get is Iron Eagle?!?"  :laugh:

BlueMarsalis79

BlueMarsalis79

#223
I have never seen the original so this will be a fun double feature.

Xenomorphine

Xenomorphine

#224
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 03, 2022, 08:47:49 AM
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The F/A-18 uses an INS (inertial navigation system) in conjuction with GPS. It can still fly and navigate just fine without GPS, albeit not quite so accurately, especially if it's a long distance mission and if it had to scramble and didn't have enough time to properly align the INS during the rampstart.

I would assume the F-35 would still make use of the older INS system, but then again, I haven't heard many good things about the F-35.
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GPS jamming is nothing new (made its proper debut during Kosovo, but wasn't very effective). So much so, that the US military, for one, has gone back to regularly teaching methods of navigation for if it's not available. They discovered turning it into a competition worked wonders for getting personnel to brush up on it. :)

Which is why I find it so ludicrous that something as critical as the F-35 would be unable to even fly in such an environment. It genuinely feels like incredibly lazy writing.
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