Egg on Sulaco

[E. Shaw]

No movement - just gravity.  It tried to hang on, but physics ultimately won.

I meant eggs open to the presence of a viable host, not movement of synthetics or other things. So what prompted the facehugger to come out if everyone is motionless in cryo?

[insert story between Aliens and Alien 3 that we haven't seen yet, that ends in having to use the Civilian cryobay] *Newt holding Ripley's hand walks on the floor grate above heading to their cryotubes... egg pulsates and opens slowly, two webbed feet slowly emerging* (Later when everyone is in hypersleep, we see the aftermath, an open empty egg as per the intro of Alien 3) - easy enough fix, it opened before they were in stasis. 😁

That makes the scene where Newt asks "can I dream now?" Terrifying if you think the egg is opening at that moment.

[Local Trouble]

If that's the case, I doubt the Sulaco would haven't gotten very far before the fire started and ejected the EEV, but we know it had reached an entirely different star system by then.

[E. Shaw]

If that's the case, I doubt the Sulaco would haven't gotten very far before the fire started and ejected the EEV, but we know it had reached an entirely different star system by then.

Good point. So that rules that theory out. The harder you try to salvage the opening of Alien3 the more futile it seems to try.

[Local Trouble]

And just to help with the math, I asked ChatGPT:

To determine how far the Sulaco could travel in one day, we first need to calculate its average speed during the journey from LV-426 back to Earth.

Given that the distance from LV-426 to Earth is 39 light-years and it took three weeks to travel from Earth to LV-426 in "Aliens," we can infer that the Sulaco's average speed during that journey was:

Average speed = Distance / Time = 39 light-years / 3 weeks

However, we need to convert the time from weeks to days since we're calculating the distance the Sulaco could travel in one day:

3 weeks * 7 days/week = 21 days

So, the Sulaco's average speed during the journey from LV-426 to Earth was:

Average speed = 39 light-years / 21 days ≈ 1.857 light-years/day

Now, to find out how far the Sulaco could travel in one day, we simply multiply its average speed by one day:

Distance in one day = Average speed * 1 day
Distance in one day ≈ 1.857 light-years/day

Therefore, the Sulaco could travel approximately 1.857 light-years in one day.

[SM]

Thing is, the Sulaco goes nowhere near any other systems on the way there or back.

[Local Trouble]

Sulaco confirmed as rerouted then?

[Acid_Reign161]

Sulaco confirmed as rerouted then?

Another perfect opportunity for another story between the two movies 🤣

[Local Trouble]

Bishop said the company knew everything that happened on the ship, right?  So maybe they knew an alien egg was on board and diverted it to Fury 161, just like they diverted the Nostromo to LV-426.

After all, Fury 161 was a remote, company-owned backwater populated by the dregs of humanity.  Maybe they intended to use the place as a laboratory and the prisoners as hosts.

That would explain how the company ship got there so fast: it was already en route when Andrews requested a rescue team.

[Acid_Reign161]

In all seriousness, it wouldn't even have to be an *actual* "Alien" story as opposed to character stories.

In my head I simply picture a 3-issue comic book run inspired by the line in Alien 3; "I had a horrible dream in Hypersleep, and I had to be sure how she died"

Issue 1; Starts with a recap of end-fight in Aliens as the backdrop to some comic book monologue about survival, only addition being just prior to that we see something drop from the shadows of the dropship landing gear; a small palm-sized black sticky cluster that hits the floor and burns in (just prior to Bishop noticing the burning by his foot and being impaled).. monologue ends as Queen is blasted out of airlock, and Ripley closes Newts cryotube. Focus on Newts face in hyper sleep revealing she's isn't dreaming, but is reliving a nightmare. *title page* Then rest of issue follows Newt's nightmare (mix of actual and dreamt events, on LV426). Issue ends with a quick shot of the cluster hanging beneath the flooring, bigger than when we saw it at the start, with black resin creeping outwards.

Issue 2; Starts days later from where issue 1 ended, with weeping acid from the growing cluster burning through a cable beneath the floor. CRT monitor in cryo chamber reports malfunction, and all 4 tubes open. As the crew awaken, Newt asking if they are home yet, Hicks delivers the news that there has been a problem, and they are going to have to use the civilian freezers on the lower deck. We get some technobabble about why you can't go back into cryo for at least 48 hours after hyper sleep (health reasons/strain on the body, etc), and we are treated with a montage of Newt, Ripley and Hicks enjoying some family time on the Sulaco, eating together in the mess hall, playing etc. Switch to a shot of Hicks sleeping in bed next to Ripley, Newt on a bunk opposite. Hicks is sweating, and clearly showing signs of distress in his sleep. *title page* then we follow Hick's nightmare (again, real events (ie; Mission on Arcturia with his squad, drinks with the locals/ Vasquez and Drake smirking amongst themselves as Frost leaves with a beautiful Asian girl hanging on his arm etc etc.. that slowly changes into a horrifying nightmare of fictional events with the squad all fighting a xeno infestation) issue ends with Ripley waking Hicks, they all move to the civilian cryotubes to resume their journey home. Cluster in the dark has grown substantially and two of the shapes are now visibly large ovomorphs, with smaller undeveloped ones clustered around them.

Issue 3; same format as above, starts with monologue, one ovomorph opens and two legs can be seen emerging. Cut to Ripley's cryotube; *title page* Then we get Ripley's nightmare; a mismatch of events from 'Alien', but on board Gateway Station, with frequent blurred lines between a young Amanda and Newt..nightmare ends with a facehugger on Newt's face. Final shot is Ripley's cracked cryotube with the silhouette of a facehugger over as she lays breathing heavy but sleeping as the "Emergency escape vehicle launching" sirens ring out.

Origin of the eggs, multiple huggers OR one (depending how you choose to interpret it) Ripley's nightmare fuelled by being half awake and semi-aware of what is going on (reference made to it in Alien 3 whilst taking with Clemens), and cryotube differences explained..without the need for yet another Alien encounter between. Bonus family time for Ripley, Newt and Hicks for the Alien 3 haters.

I'd be happy with that. 😂

[Neila]

In all seriousness, it wouldn't even have to be an *actual* "Alien" story as opposed to character stories.

In my head I simply picture a 3-issue comic book run inspired by the line in Alien 3; "I had a horrible dream in Hypersleep, and I had to be sure how she died"

Issue 1; Starts with a recap of end-fight in Aliens as the backdrop to some comic book monologue about survival, only addition being just prior to that we see something drop from the shadows of the dropship landing gear; a small palm-sized black sticky cluster that hits the floor and burns in (just prior to Bishop noticing the burning by his foot and being impaled).. monologue ends as Queen is blasted out of airlock, and Ripley closes Newts cryotube. Focus on Newts face in hyper sleep revealing she's isn't dreaming, but is reliving a nightmare. *title page* Then rest of issue follows Newt's nightmare (mix of actual and dreamt events, on LV426). Issue ends with a quick shot of the cluster hanging beneath the flooring, bigger than when we saw it at the start, with black resin creeping outwards.

Issue 2; Starts days later from where issue 1 ended, with weeping acid from the growing cluster burning through a cable beneath the floor. CRT monitor in cryo chamber reports malfunction, and all 4 tubes open. As the crew awaken, Newt asking if they are home yet, Hicks delivers the news that there has been a problem, and they are going to have to use the civilian freezers on the lower deck. We get some technobabble about why you can't go back into cryo for at least 48 hours after hyper sleep (health reasons/strain on the body, etc), and we are treated with a montage of Newt, Ripley and Hicks enjoying some family time on the Sulaco, eating together in the mess hall, playing etc. Switch to a shot of Hicks sleeping in bed next to Ripley, Newt on a bunk opposite. Hicks is sweating, and clearly showing signs of distress in his sleep. *title page* then we follow Hick's nightmare (again, real events (ie; Mission on Arcturia with his squad, drinks with the locals/ Vasquez and Drake smirking amongst themselves as Frost leaves with a beautiful Asian girl hanging on his arm etc etc.. that slowly changes into a horrifying nightmare of fictional events with the squad all fighting a xeno infestation) issue ends with Ripley waking Hicks, they all move to the civilian cryotubes to resume their journey home. Cluster in the dark has grown substantially and two of the shapes are now visibly large ovomorphs, with smaller undeveloped ones clustered around them.

Issue 3; same format as above, starts with monologue, one ovomorph opens and two legs can be seen emerging. Cut to Ripley's cryotube; *title page* Then we get Ripley's nightmare; a mismatch of events from 'Alien', but on board Gateway Station, with frequent blurred lines between a young Amanda and Newt..nightmare ends with a facehugger on Newt's face. Final shot is Ripley's cracked cryotube with the silhouette of a facehugger over as she lays breathing heavy but sleeping as the "Emergency escape vehicle launching" sirens ring out.

Origin of the eggs, multiple huggers OR one (depending how you choose to interpret it) Ripley's nightmare fuelled by being half awake and semi-aware of what is going on (reference made to it in Alien 3 whilst taking with Clemens), and cryotube differences explained..without the need for yet another Alien encounter between. Bonus family time for Ripley, Newt and Hicks for the Alien 3 haters.

I'd be happy with that. 😂

impressive.
That would make a good novel or a cool comic, maybe even an animated series.
I like Alien 3 as it is and I'm glad that this film exists, but I always find alternative stories interesting.
and your idea is definitely interesting.

Bishop said the company knew everything that happened on the ship, right?  So maybe they knew an alien egg was on board and diverted it to Fury 161, just like they diverted the Nostromo to LV-426.

After all, Fury 161 was a remote, company-owned backwater populated by the dregs of humanity.  Maybe they intended to use the place as a laboratory and the prisoners as hosts.

That would explain how the company ship got there so fast: it was already en route when Andrews requested a rescue team.

that fits like a glove.

[c0rnel]

I thought of a few other possible scenarios, some of which might sound crazy.


1) At the beginning of Aliens the marine crew asked if this was going to be another bug hunt. This might imply that they've had an encounter with xenomorph in the past perhaps on a smaller scale. Over time, without their knowledge xenomorph got onboard, hid, and perhaps even laid eggs if a queen was among them somewhere like in the storage area until later when the marines disturbed it by moving cargo around to prepare for the mission in Aliens.

2) The company sabotaged the expendable crew by turning them into lab rats and putting xenomorph onboard without their knowledge or consent for the sake of running experiments, re-routing them to Fury 161 (Alien 3 planet) should the crew survive the events of LV-426. Everything would be logged and sent back to the company for analysis. I'd like to think that LV-426 was not the only place to have a xenomorph and because over 57+ years have passed since the primary events of Alien and the company being in business of colonizing other planets they would have prior knowledge of xenomorph existence, maybe even a secluded lab off base somewhere to study them.

3) The possibility of another company android or person being onboard the Sulaco who did not accompany the rest of the crew on their mission on LV-426 aided in the plot. He could even have his own compartment and cryotube (like Dr Weyland in Prometheus) secluded from the rest of the crew. He would strictly follow company orders and be programmed differently. Burke mentioned that they always have a synthetic onboard - but this doesn't have to be strictly limited to just one synthetic. After all, they, especially newer models, prove to be useful for various tasks.

4) The egg was dropped intentionally or by accident from the queen who snuck onboard the dropship. The sudden separation of the eggsac from previous encounter with Ripley and queen on lv-426 disrupted the proper egg process flow and the queen could not finish laying all eggs before separating from eggsac and running off.

5) Bishop snuck the facehuggers or eggs from lab/some area on lv-426 onto dropship. As a side note, the whole knife trick thing - if Hudson has moved his hand or Bishop missed a tad bit more that would have caused harm to Hudson thereby invalidating everything he said about being impossible for him to harm or by omission of action allow to be harmed, another human. Was indirect harm not considered? Perhaps sneaking dead/alive xenomorph back onboard to be studied by the company was considered non harmful to Bishop or that protocol would be overriden for the sake of following company direct order which takes precedence. One little clue related to this is where we see another dude bring him some boxes/tools using a hand cart to the lab and asks Bishop if he needs anything else, and he replies with "no" after a long pause/stare. This seemed sus to me. It's like Bishop meant that he doesn't need anything else but to continue studying the lifeform and go about his business. As an extra, what's the possibility that Burke himself was a synthetic? We see him sweat but never hurt or bleeding.

Any feedback is appreciated.

[BlueMarsalis79]

I think the back half of your ideas work to some degree, but I must say "bug hunt" does not refer to a prior encounter with the Alien, perhaps other easily circumvented extraterrestrial life similar to earth animals but nothing like Xenomorph XX121 hence the arrogance.

Idea 2 and 3 to a large degree, takes the company from opportunistic to actively malicious, and incompetent.

[Neila]

I thought of a few other possible scenarios, some of which might sound crazy.

1) At the beginning of Aliens the marine crew asked if this was going to be another bug hunt. This might imply that they've had an encounter with xenomorph in the past perhaps on a smaller scale. Over time, without their knowledge xenomorph got onboard, hid, and perhaps even laid eggs if a queen was among them somewhere like in the storage area until later when the marines disturbed it by moving cargo around to prepare for the mission in Aliens.

I think it was always intended that the Marines first encountered the xeno in Aliens and Bug Hunt refers to other life forms.
In the much later Free League / Colonial Marines RPG book it is mentioned that in the alien universe there are countless living beings and creatures which the Marines commonly refer to as bugs.

[Local Trouble]

A "bug hunt" in Aliens is a literal hunt for bugs.  Indigenous pests.  Hence the 'Bug Stomper' nose art.  Whatever contemporary parlance the term might have, in the film it means dealing with threats that are beyond the colonists ability to control.  A "stand up fight" would be dealing with an organised human force - rebels/ terrorists etc.

[Neila]

there we go