Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 02, 2016, 07:25:08 PM
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 01, 2016, 10:17:24 PMMany A3 fans condescendingly say that people who didn't like Alien 3 just wanted bigger, louder, and more guns(typical "Aliens is a dumb movie cuz one liners n' guns n' bugs" yada). Not at all, we just wanted a story that was consistent with the trajectory carved out by the first two movies.
See, whatever else you might dislike about the third film, I just don't see how the story isn't "consistent with the trajectory carved out by the first two movies". The first two films are pretty bleak and deal heavily in loss. Alien 3 just took that further. But it's hardly a jarring tonal discontinuity.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 01, 2016, 10:45:37 PMI can appreciate it for what it is, while also knowing that it is the wrong story that was told for so many reasons.
again, there's nothing "wrong" about it. It's just not what you wanted.
Yup.
Indeed, it really boils down to opinions. There's nothing wrong with Alien 3 or Resurrection, some people just wanted something else from these films and didn't get their expectations met, so they understandably felt gutted.
While others appreciated the different route Alien 3 took. Just like how Aliens is quite different from Alien. Alien 3 took the route of "no one is safe" whereas the last two movies pretty much assured us that the action heroine and the people she's protecting will make it out alive.
Some fans were a bit too attached to our action heroine, so they don't like this Game of Thrones style killing of a main character out of nowhere. And unfortunately, one of these fans happens to be a film director who is using his influence to try and derail a storyline to fulfil his fantasy.
No offense to us lot, but I always thought that fans should never be in charge of the project of which they are a fan of. Like directing the next movie. Weren't the Strausse Brothers huge Predator fanboys? Look how that turned out.
We need someone who is more balanced about their views, someone who is not obsessed with the franchise. Like Ridley Scott or Jim Cameron. They may or may not like this franchise, I don't know, but they're not fanboys of it, they're not obsessed with particular bits of it like Blomkamp is (Rips, Nut, Hiks), and actually want to go to new and interesting directions.
If Cameron was a huge Alien fanboy, we probably wouldn't have had the "Aliens" that we got. But no, he was a sensible minded director with brilliant ideas and that's why we got a great film from him.
While AvP-r (as much as I enjoyed it), re-treaded many previous things while introducing only a few new things. They re-used so many older assets like Predator vision sound effects from first film, cloaking effect from first film, being huge Pred fans, they made Wolf kick so much Alien ass that many Alien fans had acid nosebleeds from the cringe.
Whereas Riddles and Cameron actually energized and expanded upon the franchise so much with Prometheus and Aliens.
I am still hoping Blomkamp sees the light at the end of the tunnel and returns to his older idea before Weaver convinced him to shoe-horn her into the franchise which caused a domino effect of shoe-horning in Newt and Hicks via the laziest of writings and most banal of ideas. He was honestly on the right track.