Peter Keyes

[EJA]

Any speculations as to why the Peter Keyes character from Predator 2 was absent from earlier Predator-related incidents in the US in the expanded universe, such as when the species were in New York City hunting Dutch Schaefer's brother in the comic/novel Concrete Jungle, and the time a psychotic Predator renegade went on a killing spree in New Jersey in Bad Blood?

[Kradan]

Well, IIRC Concrete Jungle was before Pred 2

In Bad Blood there's character called Claude Loudermilk who's essentially Keyes of that story.

[EJA]

Come to think of it, where were OWLF in Concrete Jungle? That was a military operation lead by General Phillips.

[Kradan]

Hadn't been invented yet

[EJA]

Keyes met with Dutch shortly after the '87 encounter though.

[Corporal Hicks]

In terms of the real world, OWLF wasn't a thing when the comic was written. Though their absence from later stories is disappointing to me.

[SpaceKase]

Its hard to say what the earliest iterations of the OWLF were, but it could simply be a case of competing organizations. If you're at all interested, there's a awesome book written by a remarkably credible source, United States Army Colonel Philip J. Corso, titled "The Day After Roswell". It's a pretty compelling read that delves into just how uncoordinated and at odds government branches and intelligence organizations in the United States can be with each other. A reality which has only become more evident in the last few years. So it's possible some form of the organization was there and maybe we just haven't seen it depicted. There's a character in Race War fitting Keyes' description as well, since all the Keyes clones seem to get killed maybe it's a situation like Patton Oswalt and his brothers from Agents of Shield.

I'm really stoked to read the new Hunting Grounds prequel novel because it sounds like it's really going to delve into some details about the lore that's already been introduced in the game's recordings. What I found most interesting in the sample chapter that's up online is the author's wording describing scattered reports of Dutch "or at least someone matching his description and military prowess". Sly reference to Det John Schaefer perhaps? Either way I'm thrilled.

[EJA]

The novel version of Concrete Jungle is set eight years after the first movie, so 1995. No trace of OWLF. Could it really have been a fairly new organization at the time of PREDATOR 2, just two years later?

[SpaceKase]

The novel version of Concrete Jungle is set eight years after the first movie, so 1995. No trace of OWLF. Could it really have been a fairly new organization at the time of PREDATOR 2, just two years later?

I mean, sure, depends on your personal definition of 'fairly new', we'll know more as more content for Hunting Grounds and Stalking Shadows comes out. But by all accounts it seems the earliest involvement of Peter Keyes in any affair was his interaction with Dutch back in '87, which doesn't necessarily mean the OWLF had been officially formed at the point, it could have just as easily been some precursor division in the CIA or something, it's hard to know until the most recent material comes out.

[Kailem]

He was featured again recently in the Predator VR game in what appears to be his first encounter with the Predators, as a CIA agent handling an operation in South America in 1989 when one shows up, after which point he essentially gets made head of the OWLF and is tasked with tracking it down. But that's contradicted by the more recent Dutch tapes in Predator Hunting Grounds in which Dutch says he was debriefed by Keyes at some point in 1987 after the events of the original film.

[SM]

His debriefing of Dutch may have one event leading to the creation of OWLF.  The picture with his name on in The Predator is dated 1990 when he encountered a Predator in Mexico.

[Voodoo Magic]

The novel version of Concrete Jungle is set eight years after the first movie, so 1995.

[SpaceKase]

His debriefing of Dutch may have one event leading to the creation of OWLF.  The picture with his name on in The Predator is dated 1990 when he encountered a Predator in Mexico.

Where in "The Predator" is that picture you're referring to?

[SM]

When Casey's looking at the pictures with Traeger and Keyes.

[SpaceKase]

The novel version of Concrete Jungle is set eight years after the first movie, so 1995.

This panel is a solid find for sure, but it's only one panel of many contradictory date references in the novels and comics relating to the Schaefer stories. The waters get pretty muddy pretty quick.

His debriefing of Dutch may have one event leading to the creation of OWLF.  The picture with his name on in The Predator is dated 1990 when he encountered a Predator in Mexico.

Where in "The Predator" is that picture you're referring to?

When Casey's looking at the pictures with Traeger and Keyes.

Is that in a deleted scene? I could only find these two. The first from 1987, referring to original film's "Valverde" incident, along with erroneous coordinates either just east of Los Vilos, Chile, or in the middle of the Indian Ocean off the coast of  Madagascar.



And the second one with coordinates, listed erroneously for Shawshank Redemption fans, at Zihuatanejo, Mexico. While this possibly could have been a reference to a previously unknown incident when a Predator was on the hunt for escaped fugitive Andy Dufresne in late fall of 1990, it may be more likely that this is just a rotten easter egg reference to the City Hunter from Predator 2, as seems to be pictured, and is simply erroneously displaying a timestamp 11 days after the film's US Release date, instead of the near-future summer of 1997 depicted in the film's fictionalized setting. Just my best nerdy guess, though. I claim no authority.