Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:13:18 PM
A damn good fight? It was a wrestling match, which started off with Celtic and Grid randomly swinging their limbs, in a vain attempt to strike each other. That scene was so damn embarrassing...if someone is looking to hit you, f**king move. Don't stand in one spot like a garden gnome.
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was a good fight, and a pretty good representation of what two creatures that rely on quick kills would do if they got into an extended battles. I can run you through the events quickly:
- Grid pounces on Celtic, forcing him to the ground.
- Celtic uses a free hand to prevent Grid from using the inner jaw.
- Grid switches tactics and uses his tail to strike at Celtic, getting his tailblade stuck in the stone.
- Celtic cuts the end of Grid's tail off and uses Grid's pain reaction to push it off.
- Celtic swings Grid into a few stone pillars and throws him.
- Grid gets up and uses his bleeding tail to splatter Celtic with acid.
- Celtic rips his armour off and Grid uses this distraction to relocate.
- Grid pounces again, but Celtic reacts at the last second and nets him. Grid still hits him and they smash through a thin layer of stone to the chamber below.
- Celtic prepares to finish Grid off.
- Grid's acid blood eats the net.
- Grid overpowers Celtic and lands the finishing blow.
It's a good fight. There's progression, tension and a certain amount of unpredictability about it. It makes relevant use of each creature's major traits, such as their cunning, gear, attitudes and physical attributes. While remaining tense and unpredictable, it's a fight that's very specific to AvP - it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for a creature from planet Xyphlon IV to have acid blood and to use it to destroy its enemy's amour. And one thing it did way, way better than AvPR was to credit each creature. AvPR portrays Aliens as pushovers. Wolf is a slow-thinking, slow-to-act combatant that relies on the Aliens being shit.
In AvP, Grid's one dangerous motherf**ker. He's actually a worthy combatant, and Celtic has to be fast-thinking and quick to act in order to fight him effectively. And to the credit of Predators everywhere, Celtic fights effectively - and almost wins - without his wristblades.
There's absolutely nothing standard or straight to that fight. It's context-sensitive and specific.
Everything I mentioned above is in stark contrast to AvPR. In that film, there's no tension to the battles once you learn the Predator will always win - which is early on. The Aliens don't behave intelligently, don't show a lot of strength and don't show a lot of consideration for their actions. They present themselves to armed opponents and, when they get the opportunity to strike, use ineffective attacks rather than damaging strikes.
Wolf himself is utter shit in a fight. He was not once convincing as a combatant, relying on the Aliens being slow and weak to hoist himself up. He left his back and flanks open all the time and was generally never ever decisive.
There's nothing specific to the fights that say "Alien and Predator". Wolf is a essentially just some asshole with some cool weapons. The Aliens are pack animals. No acid blood, no insane strength or resilience, no cunning. No f**king co-operation within the species, considering how Chet physically reprimands the Aliens for having the tenacity to try to be Aliens a smidge.
If AvPR had been true to each franchise, well, shit, let me just begin to list some of the things that would be different:
- Wolf wouldn't be a thick-headed brute, but a considered tactician.
- Wolf would very rarely take the Aliens in hand-to-hand combat, fearing both their physical advantages and acid blood.
- Wolf would've brought a spear with him. Seriously, it's a great anti-Alien weapon. It keeps them at a distance and can be thrown.
- Wolf would've done something unpredictable and clever at some point.
- And so would the Aliens.
- The battles would need major revisions to take into account all of the above. And for the better.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:13:18 PMWasn't really a fight, so much as it was a shooting gallery.
In you like, that can apply to AvPR, too. Sure, most of the plasma blasting had a bit of hand-to-hand to back it up, but if reliance on the plasma caster disqualifies a fight scene then you can cut AvPR's action in half.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:13:18 PMWasn't a fight in any sense of the word.
There was an attack and there was retaliation. Seems like a fight to me.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:13:18 PMThat was a whole lot of running around.
Along with Scar attacking the Queen, who then retaliated. And then Scar came back for more.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:22:30 PM
Uh...
The Predalien threw Wolf into pipes, bit him in the shoulder, and pinned him up against said pipes. What's your point?
That the Aliens of AvPR just stood around and allowed Wolf to slaughter them.
