Alien3 Legacy Cut

[skhellter]

Perfect version to most I reckon, the eventual official version will have a lot to live up to. Embedded trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj_fQLbsB94

it looks great.

Not so keen on a lot of the decisions regarding this cut.
https://www.a34k.net/narrative-choices1

Cutting the facehugger in the opening? cutting Dillon describing himself as a rapist and murderer of women?

Pass.

[Local Trouble]

I can't wait to see the egg in 4k.

[Immortan Jonesy]

I can't wait to see the egg in 4k.

Does it serve to reach consensus?

[SiL]

This narrative choice may be a controversial one, but it was a decision I made early on in the project, and I still haven't been able to talk myself out of it.

It's something of an understatement to say there aren't many likeable characters to latch onto in  Alien ³. We're not dealing with a crew of relatable space truckers towing cargo, or a rag-tag team of colonial marines. Ripley's peers this time are " thieves, rapists, murders, child molesters. All scum".

The characters we can attach ourselves to are limited to Ripley, Clemens, Dillon, and later Morse and Aaron. Among the supporting characters, the most engaging of them is probably Dillon. While second chances and hope for redemption are good things, and fantastic narrative devices, when Dillon tells Ripley "I'm a murderer and rapist of women", it just obliterates any ability I have to cheer for him in any real way.

He's not a good man, he's has a dark past and has done some terrible things, or he wouldn't be here. But in cutting out that one line, those seven little words, we never really know for sure. In doing so, it just opens me up more to accepting his redemption arc when he sacrifices himself at the end.

The scene really does flow quite perfectly without it, and it's edited seamlessly. Had I not mentioned it here you probably wouldn't even have noticed the cut. Dillon tells Ripley "You don't wanna know me, lady". She is taken aback and asks, "Really?... I guess I must make you nervous." Why wouldn't she? It's a prison colony full of men who haven't seen a woman in years. Many of them are here for raping or murdering women, some of them both. She wonders... what brought Dillon here?

Rousing speeches are great, protecting Ripley is great, but having raped and murdered not even one "woman", but multiple "women", just completely writes Dillon off for me. I can't get past it, and I always really, really want to like Dillon and root for him. The knowing he has something truly awful to make amends for, but never knowing the specifics, just makes him more interesting, engaging, and potentially even sympathetic as a character.

This person should not be touching Alien3 and I've lost all interest in seeing this.

[Local Trouble]

The current trend of bowdlerization is bad enough when the studios are doing it.  Now it's the f**king fans too?

This narrative choice may be a controversial one, but it was a decision I made early on in the project, and I still haven't been able to talk myself out of it.

[BlueMarsalis79]

Damn, what a pity.

I can understand cutting

Spoiler

"child molesters"

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for pretty obvious reasons. But honestly do not believe in "fan cuts" in terms of changing the material (purely for accessibility reasons) of the film itself.

[Local Trouble]

Of all of Alien 3's problems, failing to commit to the premise of the convicts being scum who deserve to be where they are isn't one of them.

It's one of the few things that's genuinely interesting about the movie, so I'd leave "child molesters" right where it is. 

Next thing you know, they'll all be retconned as good guys who were falsely accused and railroaded through a corrupt justice system by Weyland-Yutani for reasons.

[SM]

Perfect version to most I reckon, the eventual official version will have a lot to live up to. Embedded trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj_fQLbsB94

it looks great.

Not so keen on a lot of the decisions regarding this cut.
https://www.a34k.net/narrative-choices1

Cutting the facehugger in the opening? cutting Dillon describing himself as a rapist and murderer of women?

Pass.

'I can accept his redemptive arc if he wasn't that bad in the first place, and if he doesn't have to work with the literal personification of the temptation he warns others about.'

Looked at some of the other "Narrative Choices" and someone should take this guys copy of Sony Vegas off him.

[Local Trouble]

No, I'm not into fan-edits, so I'll give it a miss.

[Immortan Jonesy]

Yikes!🤮 these changes!

[SM]

No, I'm not into fan-edits, so I'll give it a miss.

Based on the trailer I was almost tempted to give this one a look.

What definition of 'Legacy' is he using here?

[BlueMarsalis79]

He replied to a comment of mine commending him on the effort, after reading about the changes I wrote this:

"Well let me say this then, I think you are making a mistake by cutting aspects of characters out that makes them unpleasant people. Dillon must have a specific heinous thing to his name, otherwise the character not only loses his texture, but also the redemption becomes nullified if he gets redeemed for vagueries.

I do not believe you should make any controversial changes, especially if it is fundamentally antithetical to what the creators had created.

I can understand cutting the Egg and Facehugger from the opening as an example, because they were studio mandated in the opening, not a creative decision...

Or even swapping Ox for Dog, or including the Chestburster, as many have expressed interest in a version of the Assembly Cut with each.

But I am not being hyperbolic when I say editing the characters down to be more comfortable makes this whole effort moot."

[Local Trouble]

I always perceived Dillon as being his own harshest judge.  Kinda like this:

[SM]

Let's pretend the TC actually sacrifices character development; why cut more?

[Local Trouble]

Because it upsets him!