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DoomRulz

DoomRulz

#11760
Quote from: Gate on Sep 22, 2015, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 22, 2015, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 21, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 21, 2015, 08:20:25 PM
Bernie supports socialism from what I remember. My younger sister is a big supporter of him and socialism.
Bernie Sanders supports the democratic ideals of socialism and the capitalist incentives of our own. He's a democratic socialist just as Martin Luther King and Anne Frank were.

That's encouraging. Socialism is a good idea but like everything else, needs to be kept in check.
As long as you acknowledge the shortcomings and problems we experience with capitalism, I'll agree with you.

Such as?

Gate

Gate

#11761
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 23, 2015, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 22, 2015, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 22, 2015, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 21, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 21, 2015, 08:20:25 PM
Bernie supports socialism from what I remember. My younger sister is a big supporter of him and socialism.
Bernie Sanders supports the democratic ideals of socialism and the capitalist incentives of our own. He's a democratic socialist just as Martin Luther King and Anne Frank were.

That's encouraging. Socialism is a good idea but like everything else, needs to be kept in check.
As long as you acknowledge the shortcomings and problems we experience with capitalism, I'll agree with you.

Such as?

Corporate and Oligarchial structures always form from the elite and end up becoming more influential than the individual citizen. "Trickle-down econimics" is dictating the world economy. We're living in a time where voting rights are actually being restricted. Just look at Florida's restructuring after a few Civil War amendments were removed from the Constitution.

We are free, but we are living in a society that's been conditioned to ignore half of the population. And we've come to accept this for some reason because we can get so caught up in things outside of government. We are a large nation with the lowest voter turnout in the world. Half of our population either doesn't vote, or don't have the right to.

The only good thing I can say is nobody starves to death, generally, in the United States. Our version of the poor is stressful but not deadly.

whiterabbit

whiterabbit

#11762
Our political and geopolitical policies cause death and destruction around the world, but as long as it isn't us it's ok? However were pretty much headed straight for the Matrix.

D. Compton Ambrose

D. Compton Ambrose

#11763
Quote from: Gate on Sep 23, 2015, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 23, 2015, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 22, 2015, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 22, 2015, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 21, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 21, 2015, 08:20:25 PM
Bernie supports socialism from what I remember. My younger sister is a big supporter of him and socialism.
Bernie Sanders supports the democratic ideals of socialism and the capitalist incentives of our own. He's a democratic socialist just as Martin Luther King and Anne Frank were.

That's encouraging. Socialism is a good idea but like everything else, needs to be kept in check.
As long as you acknowledge the shortcomings and problems we experience with capitalism, I'll agree with you.

Such as?

Corporate and Oligarchial structures always form from the elite and end up becoming more influential than the individual citizen. "Trickle-down econimics" is dictating the world economy. We're living in a time where voting rights are actually being restricted. Just look at Florida's restructuring after a few Civil War amendments were removed from the Constitution.

We are free, but we are living in a society that's been conditioned to ignore half of the population. And we've come to accept this for some reason because we can get so caught up in things outside of government. We are a large nation with the lowest voter turnout in the world. Half of our population either doesn't vote, or don't have the right to.

The only good thing I can say is nobody starves to death, generally, in the United States. Our version of the poor is stressful but not deadly.

The one part of your post I disagree with is that your vote makes a difference.
Mathematically, it does not. You have about a 1 to 240 million chance of determining the fate of an election with your vote.

whiterabbit

whiterabbit

#11764
Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Sep 24, 2015, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 23, 2015, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 23, 2015, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 22, 2015, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 22, 2015, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 21, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 21, 2015, 08:20:25 PM
Bernie supports socialism from what I remember. My younger sister is a big supporter of him and socialism.
Bernie Sanders supports the democratic ideals of socialism and the capitalist incentives of our own. He's a democratic socialist just as Martin Luther King and Anne Frank were.

That's encouraging. Socialism is a good idea but like everything else, needs to be kept in check.
As long as you acknowledge the shortcomings and problems we experience with capitalism, I'll agree with you.

Such as?

Corporate and Oligarchial structures always form from the elite and end up becoming more influential than the individual citizen. "Trickle-down econimics" is dictating the world economy. We're living in a time where voting rights are actually being restricted. Just look at Florida's restructuring after a few Civil War amendments were removed from the Constitution.

We are free, but we are living in a society that's been conditioned to ignore half of the population. And we've come to accept this for some reason because we can get so caught up in things outside of government. We are a large nation with the lowest voter turnout in the world. Half of our population either doesn't vote, or don't have the right to.

The only good thing I can say is nobody starves to death, generally, in the United States. Our version of the poor is stressful but not deadly.

The one part of your post I disagree with is that your vote makes a difference.
Mathematically, it does not. You have about a 1 to 240 million chance of determining the fate of an election with your vote.
Well.... that's why forming unions is a good thing. Cause when we're on our own, we are f**ked. Plus that's only the presidential election. State and county elections are much smaller in scope.

Hubbs

Hubbs

#11765
There is so much privilege that needs checking here  :P

Gate

Gate

#11766
Sometimes I wonder if Hubbs is real

Hubbs

Hubbs

#11767
Quote from: Gate on Sep 24, 2015, 03:24:05 AM
Sometimes I wonder if Hubbs is real

Not watching the new South Park season? Its hitting the PC liberals out of the park at the moment hehe.

whiterabbit

whiterabbit

#11768
The second episode just ripped conservatives a new asshole. However it out right stated the truth, people have made politics a complete joke. And I don't just mean Donald Trump, hell I don't even thinks he believes that people are buying the bs he is making up. But the walkers, ryans, jebs, etc... the real people who really do not get how ridiculous their mockery of our system is and the damage it is doing to everyone.

Hubbs

Hubbs

#11769
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 24, 2015, 09:44:48 AM
The second episode just ripped conservatives a new asshole. However it out right stated the truth, people have made politics a complete joke. And I don't just mean Donald Trump, hell I don't even thinks he believes that people are buying the bs he is making up. But the walkers, ryans, jebs, etc... the real people who really do not get how ridiculous their mockery of our system is and the damage it is doing to everyone.

Hehe think about us in Europe, migration is currently ripping the continent apart. Some of the leaders and a small minority of pc do-gooders aren't listening or asking the majority what they think.

THE CITY HUNTER

THE CITY HUNTER

#11770
Quote from: Hubbs on Sep 24, 2015, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 24, 2015, 09:44:48 AM
The second episode just ripped conservatives a new asshole. However it out right stated the truth, people have made politics a complete joke. And I don't just mean Donald Trump, hell I don't even thinks he believes that people are buying the bs he is making up. But the walkers, ryans, jebs, etc... the real people who really do not get how ridiculous their mockery of our system is and the damage it is doing to everyone.

Hehe think about us in Europe, migration is currently ripping the continent apart. Some of the leaders and a small minority of pc do-gooders aren't listening or asking the majority what they think.
Send the UN troops

DoomRulz

DoomRulz

#11771
Quote from: Gate on Sep 23, 2015, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 23, 2015, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 22, 2015, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 22, 2015, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 21, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 21, 2015, 08:20:25 PM
Bernie supports socialism from what I remember. My younger sister is a big supporter of him and socialism.
Bernie Sanders supports the democratic ideals of socialism and the capitalist incentives of our own. He's a democratic socialist just as Martin Luther King and Anne Frank were.

That's encouraging. Socialism is a good idea but like everything else, needs to be kept in check.
As long as you acknowledge the shortcomings and problems we experience with capitalism, I'll agree with you.

Such as?

Corporate and Oligarchial structures always form from the elite and end up becoming more influential than the individual citizen. "Trickle-down econimics" is dictating the world economy. We're living in a time where voting rights are actually being restricted. Just look at Florida's restructuring after a few Civil War amendments were removed from the Constitution.

We are free, but we are living in a society that's been conditioned to ignore half of the population. And we've come to accept this for some reason because we can get so caught up in things outside of government. We are a large nation with the lowest voter turnout in the world. Half of our population either doesn't vote, or don't have the right to.

The only good thing I can say is nobody starves to death, generally, in the United States. Our version of the poor is stressful but not deadly.

It's the best system we have though because it gives everyone an equal chance. It doesn't, and more importantly cannot, guarantee an equal outcome which is why a lot of people dislike capitalism. I will disagree with those folks until the day I die. I don't see why someone who doesn't put in as much as effort as I do should receive the same reward.

Gate

Gate

#11772
And that's because you've shut yourself out to accepting socialist policies and instead equate socialism with totalitarianism and communism. An individualistic society is inherently selfish and unconscious of the problems in the world. And there's nothing to distinguish one citizen who's poor and needs healthcare to the other who's rich and needs healthcare. There's no "special snowflake" scenario that justifies cutting social spending.

QuoteUS citizens do not know the know the differences between socialism and communism, they also can't articulate the difference between either of them and fascism (also due in part to our horrible US-centric education system that frames everything else in a negative lighting).

In the US media landscape (e.g. cable news, talk radio), there's a continual barrage of right-wing propaganda which, unfortunately and for far too long, has been quite effective in framing debate and defining terms. And since it takes far less effort to lap up such nonsense rather than to think critically, it gets traction.

The message, for quite a long time now is that "free market capitalism" is the only economic mode compatible with freedom (and we Americans love our "freedom"). And the only other option is something very similar to Stalinist Marxism.

We have been 'brainwashed' to believe that the word 'socialism' is inherently evil and horrible because it's not 'american'.

Topazora

Topazora

#11773
Quote from: Gate on Sep 23, 2015, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 23, 2015, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 22, 2015, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 22, 2015, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: Gate on Sep 21, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 21, 2015, 08:20:25 PM
Bernie supports socialism from what I remember. My younger sister is a big supporter of him and socialism.
Bernie Sanders supports the democratic ideals of socialism and the capitalist incentives of our own. He's a democratic socialist just as Martin Luther King and Anne Frank were.

That's encouraging. Socialism is a good idea but like everything else, needs to be kept in check.
As long as you acknowledge the shortcomings and problems we experience with capitalism, I'll agree with you.

Such as?

Corporate and Oligarchial structures always form from the elite and end up becoming more influential than the individual citizen. "Trickle-down econimics" is dictating the world economy. We're living in a time where voting rights are actually being restricted. Just look at Florida's restructuring after a few Civil War amendments were removed from the Constitution.

We are free, but we are living in a society that's been conditioned to ignore half of the population. And we've come to accept this for some reason because we can get so caught up in things outside of government. We are a large nation with the lowest voter turnout in the world. Half of our population either doesn't vote, or don't have the right to.

The only good thing I can say is nobody starves to death, generally, in the United States. Our version of the poor is stressful but not deadly.

I'm just kinda curious how socialism would fix the issue of corporate oligarchy?  Wouldn't making the U.S. as socialist country just be switching the power from one elite group to another?  If anything, the elite that's running the country comes from corporation, I would think putting more power and money into their hands would make the situation worse.  Lets also consider the fact, a lot of corporations that are monopolies, are monopolies with the help of the government (corporate welfare).

DoomRulz

DoomRulz

#11774
Quote from: Gate on Sep 24, 2015, 06:39:38 PM
And that's because you've shut yourself out to accepting socialist policies and instead equate socialism with totalitarianism and communism. An individualistic society is inherently selfish and unconscious of the problems in the world. And there's nothing to distinguish one citizen who's poor and needs healthcare to the other who's rich and needs healthcare. There's no "special snowflake" scenario that justifies cutting social spending.

QuoteUS citizens do not know the know the differences between socialism and communism, they also can't articulate the difference between either of them and fascism (also due in part to our horrible US-centric education system that frames everything else in a negative lighting).

In the US media landscape (e.g. cable news, talk radio), there's a continual barrage of right-wing propaganda which, unfortunately and for far too long, has been quite effective in framing debate and defining terms. And since it takes far less effort to lap up such nonsense rather than to think critically, it gets traction.

The message, for quite a long time now is that "free market capitalism" is the only economic mode compatible with freedom (and we Americans love our "freedom"). And the only other option is something very similar to Stalinist Marxism.

We have been 'brainwashed' to believe that the word 'socialism' is inherently evil and horrible because it's not 'american'.

Because totalitarianism is a natural consequence of communism. Having all economic activity is planned by the state pretty much constitutes a dictatorship as it is. If the government has the power to run your life from A to Z, they're not going to stand for real elections, hence why these so-called democratic republics fail miserably.

You are also equating selfishness with not caring. Being selfish is a good thing because it means you look after yourself. That doesn't translate to forgetting about other people. It just means ensuring you are looked after before looking after other people.

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