Reproduction Method Official

[Major Alan Schaefer]

Nothing said they shouldn't or couldn't do this it says they are adaptable, i call this adatpable...

now it couldn't hurt to make the creatures scairer and more dangerours if its the same old thing again and again it won't make much money...not saying they should destroy everything but they are just bending it a little

Bending it??? Bending it would be altering the egg, the facehugger or the chestburster. This isn't bending it, it is a major break with the Alien storyline. It isn't adaptation we're talking about here, it would be an evolutionary leap to change a creature's reproductive system that much, not believable even for Alien. If they evolve that much then the creature they were back in the Mayan days wouldn't look anything like the creature that they show us in Alien and Aliens.

Why couldn't the alien have alway's been able to do this, and we just had not seen this in the film or literature.  Maybe it's a back-up reproduction method for a queen who is not fully grown and has no drones or warrior's to protect her nest initially.  It's gonna be great.

i agree with that and honestly it can be a great addition to the cycle

[Master]

How the hell am I supposed to take this reproductive method seriously? It is totally illogical and doesn't fit with prior Alien reproductive methods. Their internal digestive organs would have to be tied into the internal reproductive organs. That is a very complex thing for an organism to make work.  

I thought about exactly thesame.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=8176.45
Last post at the bottom of the page.

Thanks for the backup man! 

Always willing to backup wise people.

How the hell am I supposed to take this reproductive method seriously? It is totally illogical and doesn't fit with prior Alien reproductive methods. Their internal digestive organs would have to be tied into the internal reproductive organs. That is a very complex thing for an organism to make work.  

You guys kill me, acting like you know what your talking about scientifically.  Give it a rest man.  Watch the movie, I bet you like it.

Why I should give a rest to things that could have been done right, but two unexperienced guys wanted to leave their mark on them, and therefore f**ked them. I want good film! Not shitty or medium class.

They been around a long long time....its possible for them over that time to devolp mutliple ways to reproduce,

Yeah they could. But it doesn`t make sense.

[Ballzanya]

They been around a long long time....its possible for them over that time to devolp mutliple ways to reproduce,

well not all at once. They could theoretically evolve in millions of years to have a different or slightly different cycle, but why would they have so much redundancy? Nature wouldn't do that and the space jockeys wouldn't want them to do reproduce all over the place and make them more of a risk and thus harder to control in the event that they actually created the species.

Besides they have the egg morphing thing as the emergency means of reproduction. None of this molting into a queen or vomiting embryos make any f**king sense.
Even if egg-morphing is considered non-canon, it wouldn't mean that they absolutely have a backup way to reproduc, why would they? Just because they are deadly, efficient and highly adaptable doesn't mean that the rules of nature wouldn't apply to them, if they can't reproduce and survive the normal way then they'd die off, its that simple.

Predators surely don't have more than one way to reproduce or either do people(invitro fertilization doesn't count or cloning as those are artificial means and not of nature)

[Major Alan Schaefer]

Alien wouldn't be very scary if everything it did made sense in my book...second it could have devolped it over time and have the ability to use it when needed, if one way works better than an other at atime it can use it if not it uses another

[Master]

They been around a long long time....its possible for them over that time to devolp mutliple ways to reproduce,

well not all at once. They could theoretically evolve in millions of years to have a different or slightly different cycle, but why would they have so much redundancy? Nature wouldn't do that and the space jockeys wouldn't want them to do reproduce all over the place and make them more of a risk and thus harder to control in the event that they actually created the species.

Besides they have the egg morphing thing as the emergency means of reproduction. None of this molting into a queen or vomiting embryos make any f**king sense.
Even if egg-morphing is considered non-canon, it wouldn't mean that they absolutely have a backup way to reproduc, why would they? Just because they are deadly, efficient and highly adaptable doesn't mean that the rules of nature wouldn't apply to them, if they can't reproduce and survive the normal way then they'd die off, its that simple.

Predators surely don't have more than one way to reproduce or either do people(invitro fertilization doesn't count or cloning as those are artificial means and not of nature)

Another good point. Queen is produceing eggs, if there is no queen drone can make egg ( with queen facehugger/ queen embryo carying facehugger) and after few days there is new queen. There is on need for fu<king third life cycle ( A:R= differenc case).

[Flaming Firefox]

In addition why would a highly adaptable creature go from a more efficient means of reproduction, queen that can lay many eggs quickly thus repopulating the species quickly to a less efficient system, actually hunting down a victim individually and impregnating the victim, sure you cut out the egg and facehugger which is more efficient, but you drastically cut down the ability to impregnate multiple victims quickly and it takes more time individually Chet would have to constantly be hunting victims to succesfully repopulate. Under this system if Chet dies then so does the species, under the queen-egg system even if the queen is killed theoretically eggs will still be around to repopulate the species.

[Major Alan Schaefer]

In addition why would a highly adaptable creature go from a more efficient means of reproduction, queen that can lay many eggs quickly thus repopulating the species quickly to a less efficient system, actually hunting down a victim individually and impregnating the victim, sure you cut out the egg and facehugger which is more efficient, but you drastically cut down the ability to impregnate multiple victims quickly and it takes more time individually Chet would have to constantly be hunting victims to succesfully repopulate. Under this system if Chet dies then so does the species, under the queen-egg system even if the queen is killed theoretically eggs will still be around to repopulate the species.

not neccarily...under this a new warrior could molt as Chet did, good points with the origanal reproduction...this one is faster and in a hostile sitation were Chet couldn't set up shop and lay eggs this works better

[Flaming Firefox]

In addition why would a highly adaptable creature go from a more efficient means of reproduction, queen that can lay many eggs quickly thus repopulating the species quickly to a less efficient system, actually hunting down a victim individually and impregnating the victim, sure you cut out the egg and facehugger which is more efficient, but you drastically cut down the ability to impregnate multiple victims quickly and it takes more time individually Chet would have to constantly be hunting victims to succesfully repopulate. Under this system if Chet dies then so does the species, under the queen-egg system even if the queen is killed theoretically eggs will still be around to repopulate the species.

not neccarily...under this a new warrior could molt as Chet did, good points with the origanal reproduction...this one is faster and in a hostile sitation were Chet couldn't set up shop and lay eggs this works better

We'll just have to see how long it takes Chet to "Molt" huh. That could determine its efficiency or not. If every warrior could molt and reproduce this way it would at least make some kind of sense but so far it appears it is just Chet.

[Major Alan Schaefer]

In addition why would a highly adaptable creature go from a more efficient means of reproduction, queen that can lay many eggs quickly thus repopulating the species quickly to a less efficient system, actually hunting down a victim individually and impregnating the victim, sure you cut out the egg and facehugger which is more efficient, but you drastically cut down the ability to impregnate multiple victims quickly and it takes more time individually Chet would have to constantly be hunting victims to succesfully repopulate. Under this system if Chet dies then so does the species, under the queen-egg system even if the queen is killed theoretically eggs will still be around to repopulate the species.

not neccarily...under this a new warrior could molt as Chet did, good points with the origanal reproduction...this one is faster and in a hostile sitation were Chet couldn't set up shop and lay eggs this works better

We'll just have to see how long it takes Chet to "Molt" huh. That could determine its efficiency or not. If every warrior could molt and reproduce this way it would at least make some kind of sense but so far it appears it is just Chet.

Well its not just Chet, the idea is that one Alien will become a Queen if every alien did it a once we'd have a million Queens in this movie yea just Chet, but in other a normal alien could

[Flaming Firefox]

The reason they don't all have to do it though is that one molted alien queen can produce probably thousands of eggs. I was always under the impression that only a Praetorian could molt but that is something that isn't canon though.

The Aliens as established by Cameron are essential very similar to Bees in reproduction. It is where the whole Queen, Molting, Drone, Hive thing comes from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee

[Major Alan Schaefer]

The reason they don't all have to do it though is that one molted alien queen can produce probably thousands of eggs. I was always under the impression that only a Praetorian could molt but that is something that isn't canon though.

The Aliens as established by Cameron are essential very similar to Bees in reproduction. It is where the whole Queen, Molting, Drone, Hive thing comes from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee

Praetorian is not canon and not needed, this is more efficant than they are

[Flaming Firefox]

I don't see substanial evidence that points to every Alien having the capacity to molt into a queen. We've always seen a fully grown queen and never more than one at a time.

[Major Alan Schaefer]

I don't see substanial evidence that points to every Alien having the capacity to molt into a queen. We've always seen a fully grown queen and never more than one at a time.

The theory is not that every alien transfroms into a Queen its that if there is no other way one could become a Queen any warrior...also nothing say that they can't either

[cliffhanger]

ok, so i'd like to joint in here to give my meaning to this 'happening'.....

first of all, I am a nr1 fan of the alien & predator movies.....
sidenote, is that I think alien 4 / resurrection totally sucked ass, atleast from the part the gayish f**ked up alien 'humanoid baby' jumped in the movie. well offcourse the movie had to fail if you give it a french director....though he managed keeping it tight till that certain moment. the idiot 'alien-ish' bug at the beginning of that movie sucked ass too and had no clue or binding with anything ever but thats aside. the whole 'cloning' stuff worked out not bad I think and ripley was quite acceptable too with the alien dna.
that the Alien queen got a human reproductive system, first of all totally sucked ass, but since ripley got clone-screwed and had alien-genes, why couldn't the alien. it just totally sucked that it gave birth to such a total alien-series screwer xenodork. they could've done it far better, but lets not get this thread to a alien 4 discussion.

what the point there is, the movie 'flopped' to the true fans and story, and nobody really likes the end of it....
SO, you'd think people would learn from it and not f**k a lifespan/story again....

must say im quite concerned that theyre making that same mistake again, and by what i've seen and heard from this new movie, there are some lame ass donkeyraping dorks that direct this movie. given, the theatrical trailers look awesome.

I for one think the predalien doesn't look that bad, it just couldve been better.

but for the fact of the mouth regoritating (howdayaspellit), that is the most idiotic idea ever!
DONT f**k UP THE PERFECT ALIEN LIFE CYCLE.
like said in the alien 1 movie, remeber, that movie is PARAMOUNT for anything that has to do with ALIEN, and alienS was GREAT for having a director that was made out of the same ideas and material as ridley scott! he 'invented' the alien Queen, and did an amazing job with it!
keep to the script!
anyway, the alien (embryo) takes over certain capabilities/characteristics from its 'host'. So in a human, that would have to mean the humanoid arms, legs, and 'skin' (head). remember the dogalien in alien 3?

still very similar to the alien species, only with a obvious doglike build, using 4 longer legs to 'walk', and a different body shape, but still obviously alien.
so that an facehugger embryo growing in a predator grows to a predalien,
I can still buy and think is a good aspect of the species.
So the side fangs are a acceptable appearance. maybe the hands of the alien are more like the predator, and the tail has a different design.
but as far as predator skin? I havent seen an alien with human 'peach skin'?
and as far as the dreads? haven't seen a alien with human HAIR???
I could accept the predalien in forms like these:


here the dreads arent too 'accentuated' in the design....
for as far as these designs:


I could still accept it.

but the new reproducint system is major sucking ass!
and what's this talk about EGG MORPHING?
didn't catch up with that, what does that mean? a human will morph into an egg?
so some girl f.e. named 'betty' gets a deeptroat facial like x-rated movie / porn
and she then becomes an egg?
or does she shit out an alien egg?
or puke out an alien egg?
what the hell?

I'd say, an alien QUEEN COULD be a morph from a 'warrior' if there is demand for it. F.E. how frogs have the ability to 'morph' into an opposite 'sex' if there is demand for it.

that alien queen will lay eggs and from there off itll grow to the insectoid pleague it is....

as a second reproductive system, I'd even concider a single alien being able to legg an egg, which will give birth to an alien QUEEN.....to lay eggs. also acceptable.

but just dumping the entire alien lifespan in the lew is totally lame!

HOWEVER, since I think this thing is not going out of the movie since itll be in cinema next month, only thing we can sitll HOPE for is the producers have not f**ked it up entirely....

I for one HOPE, itll only happen ONCE, and the embryo implanted via the mouth would be a baby Queen, and after that there will be no need for deepthroating....
ohterwise, there would be no need or logic excistence for a facehugger, which is a superb design
at itself, implanting the host with a just 'mixed' embryo, and then dying like a salmon when its done....then the host growing the alien inside as a 'warrior'. like an ant/bee working drone.
...though still the deepthroating will be a stupid thing, as an alien morphing into a Queen would be far more 'believable' then a mouth-dick....

and don't come up with 'its an alien, anything is possible' crap, that is 10 year old trash talk from dumbasses having no imagination and thinking discovery's 'alien planet' is cool and could happen...

anyway, one thing must not be forgotten, in the trailer, on pics and posters, we can obviously see, there are CLASSIC aliens.

so where the HELL will they come from?

from the predalien-oral-sexed girl's chest? maybe acceptable....if you accept the mouthdicking....
but that must be a queen then! since a normal alien would not be mouthdicking? so there certainly would need to be an alien queen in the movie! but I haven't seen it yet?
but if it will not be there, then where will the aliens come from?

surely not all the 'human'-grown xenomorphs wont all suddenly dickmouth everybody?
the answer clearly will be 'NO', since in the trailer, a man and his son got facehugged in the woods, and facehuggers, come from eggs (which I strangely enough didnt see in the woods),
so there HAS to be a Queen.....(since there were more then 1 facehugger).....

and for as far as the single predalien, shouldnt there be more? the predalien coming out of the avp1 movie, was the first one on the ship. surely it cannot kill ALL the highly-skilled & trained predators on board and cause it to crash all by itself, and then one 'wolf' predator is able to kill
ALL the aliens/predators on earth?

anyway, from the videos ive seen, the redband trailer, the population trailer and pics, I still think this movie will be kickass and I'll love looking at it.

I for one am not a aliens vs predator hater, I actually enjoyed the movie. Not as much as Alien 1 or 2, but still, i liked it and don't get why it would be so bad? surely if humans can catch them and keep them (alien 4), predators should find a way of using them too? and offcourse, without
that story, there could be no avp-requiem since a predator ship crashes into earth...(but where is the mothership?)

I just think the aliens i've seen in requiem look off from the cool look they had had in 1 & 2 (the head)....

ill just await the movie, hope its gonna rule

[Alienseseses]

for as far as these designs:

http://www.daveseeley.com/portfolio_folder/images/PredatorPredalien.jpg
I could still accept it.

Let's repeat:

I could still accept it.

Holy carp.

You must love the movie design.