Quote from: Predaker on Mar 26, 2017, 07:47:15 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 26, 2017, 04:06:23 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2017, 11:36:31 AM
The first film explicitly shows the Alien bleeding when hit by the harpoon gun. There was no contradiction in intention: you shoot the thing, it's shot. The end.
The film also explicitly shows the creature remaining physically intact when being hit by plasma blast from the engines of a spaceship, which obviously creates a logical contradiction with the harpoon scene. A contradiction that RS himself recognises, hence him feeling the need to explain what he would of done if he had the time and technology.
We could see the alien surfing on solar flares but if it slips on its board and gets a boo boo, then it's not indestructible. As contradictory as that may be, an injury overrides the notion of indestructibility. To say otherwise is cherry picking and ignoring fact, plain and simple. This misconception negates key elements that helped make ALIEN so great in the first place (and dumbs it way down.)
And I agree with you Predaker, but that's not the point I was making.
The point I was making, is that ALIEN is contradictory. If your going to have one scene showing a creature being damaged by a spear and then in the next scene show the same creature being blasted by the engines of a spacecraft and appearing to receive no physical damage, then that is inconsistent and contradictory. The 2nd scene is breaking the internal logic the 1st scene established; creating confusion and leaving itself open to interpretation. If ALIEN was consistent on this point, if the scene had been filmed as the script intended, then these debates, that have been raging over the internet for years, would of never have taken place. Going back to my original point, that people who draw these conclusions, do so, not just because their ill-informed, but because of a contradiction within the film itself.
And just to clarify, me saying I understand why people draw these conclusions is not the same as me saying I agree with their conclusions, a distinction, I feel you and a couple of others, who have now responded to me, have failed to make.
This all illustrates perfectly, why people getting too precious in their own interpretations of these movies, is a fools game. We our dealing with art, not science. There's going to be inconsistencies because artists often place expression ahead of logic.
My first post on this thread was meant to point out the flaws in the logic some were using in these arguments, while also being tongue in cheek; trying to emphasise the often playground mentality of my dad is bigger than your dad, that some ALIEN and ALIENS fans get involved in.
My second post, when I wrote:
'But as fans, I think we have to except that there are inconsistency's in the way the Alien is presented from film to film.' And trying to jump through hoops, desperately looking for continuity, is not going to resolve the issues.'
Was the main point I was trying to make in this debate.
The post that was mainly directed towards Xenomorphine, when I freely admit to misinterpreting your response to fernandito, was meant to express my personal preference to ALIEN over ALIENS and the reasons why I felt that way. But has somehow ended up with me being branded, with others, as a typical ALIEN fanboy, must be from imdb, does not understand the movie he claims to be a fan of, quick, grab the pitchforks and burn the infidel.
Now I get it, you long term members are probably sick to the back teeth of having to go through these same arguments time and time again; I don't blame you. But not every new member here, who expresses a preference to ALIEN over ALIENS, is doing so because they feel Cameron ruined the alien by turning it into a 'giant bug,' or arguing that the creature was always meant to be 'invincible.' Some of us actually have a preference on artistic grounds.
Now I'm sorry for the long-winded response and please don't take this as me trying to claim victimization, because that's not my intent. I'm just trying to clarify my points, so we don't end up in a circular argument, banging our heads against a brick wall.
Anyway, I've done exactly what I didn't want to do and hijack the thread... lol