Reproduction Method Official

[Ballzanya]

[...] It may be because he is busy, but if that's the case why post a one sentence post like this to begin with?

That's because he's trying to get a reaction out of us because it amuses him...

probably and he knows the film will probably make as much money as the first avp as well as the fact that the film is essentially finished and going to contain his beloved vomit/face rape idea.

[gameoverman]

This must set the record for the longest thread on something no one has actually seen yet.

You know you love us for it - Fox could never have bought this level of publicity.

Aliens - killed the idea of egg-morphing by having a Queen (really there is no point to Queens if you can use egg morphing).

Not if egging is the emergency method to get a Queen-carrying facehugger, which seems to be the most logical conclusion. It preserves the 'naturally born' feature, too.

So why can't the 'barfing' just be an emergency method too?

Queens make more mathematical sense, host-wise, once one exists.

How?  If any alien can morph someone into an egg, and morph former-hosts of aliens - you have the same amount of hosts matched up with facehuggers that a Queen could produce.  So why bother with all the trouble of having a Queen?

[SiL]

Queen can poop out dozens of eggs in minutes.

A drone, a handful of eggs over several hours.

In the end there are going to be excess eggs from Queen to have in storage.

[Ballzanya]

Its just adding more gruesome content for their "Rated R and grotesquely disgusting!" slant. I think ballzanya and I have already shown the options they have, and therye the most logical and smooth.

Apparently the R is for Rape. lol. Aliens vs. predator hentai for horny 13 year olds who were disapointed that the first film didn't show enough hardcore facerape and freudian sexual overtones. Those crying out(orgasmicly) for alien goo to drizzle downthe throat of a helpless woman lying in a hospital bed will now get there wildest dreams(wet dreams) fulfilled. lol.
but wait there's more..ever wanted to see what someone looks like when they actually kiss a girl..take ricky and his bimbo girlfriend you can masturbate your little needle dicks to during the film(your mom will never know. )
And then an added bonus of seeing a waitress get cornered as she breaths heavily and screams in terror (jsut like all your daydream fantasies of watching your sixth grade teacher)

f**ked up. yes. point made=yes.

[Uncanny Antman]

Aliens - killed the idea of egg-morphing by having a Queen

So killed an idea that was not canonical to begin with.  The Queen filled a void left by the theatrical, and for a long time only cut of Alien.  She logically filled the void, too.

But that ruins the 'egg morphing to make Queens' idea.  If they could egg morph, why bother with the Queen?

No, it's perfect. Here's a theory...

All eggs are normal, so the first Alien born will always be a drone/worker/warrior, whatever you want to call it.
It assertains whether it is a lone Alien, and if so, egg-morphs its first victim into an egg with a Queen-carrying facehugger in it.  (That'd be Brett in the DC of Alien.)

Then when the Queen is born, she begins mass-producing eggs for any subsequent victims.  Egg-morphing is a waste, as it takes two people for every Alien.  Having an egg-layer means one Alien for every human.

[gameoverman]

But that ruins the 'egg morphing to make Queens' idea.  If they could egg morph, why bother with the Queen?

Mass production without the need for host resource consumption.

Host resource consumption for what?  In Aliens, the dead hosts were still cocooned in the wall, and not being used for anything else.

Yeah but it's a bit strange that the Queen was normal, then just mutated a human reproductive system.  And how did she produce the Newborn, anyway, without a host?

The Queen clearly wasn't normal for the reason you just stated - Mutated reproductive system. Seeing as Aliens reproduce asexually, what we got was a hybrid of the Queen reproductive method and a human one, which resulted in a hybrid of people and Aliens.
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I just don't get how the queen gave birth to a live alien - it wasn't a clone of her (via reproducing asexually), it was totally different to the Queen.

[Noir-Gojira]

what? And having a shitload of aliens overrun your town, slips under the radar?

Strategy of the Trojan Horse: Much harder to anticipate and resist destruction when it comes from within your city limits.

The government is involved in this film, you see military generals in the trailer. They decide to nuke the town.

And you can bet they'll brag about bombing their own citizens.

Who would believe headlines involving alien parasites anyway? (crocodile boy saves santa..etc. lol, you know what i mean, the fake newspapers that have that sort of thing in them)

Yes, because no one watches news programs on TV, or subscribes to news sites on the internet.  Now, what number of huggers has a higher probability of being discovered, two or fifty?

All the people searching for the hunter and his son, most likely go missing or end up dead. How does that not draw attention? So if they're killed by wolf and not facehugged, no suspicions arise?

Ah yes, because atrocious and mysterious mass-killings have never happened before in human history.

You could have had a huge chunk of the search party find the crashed ship and the eggs and get facehugged. Then the aliens which came out of them could have hunted down others and brought to the remaining eggs to be hosts, while wolf tries to stop them and deals with the people shooting at him in the middle of it all.

Because NO ONE will be alert or on guard if an entire search party goes missing!  Besides, they already did that in Aliens; not the stealthiest of victim harvestings.

[gameoverman]

Queen can poop out dozens of eggs in minutes.

A drone, a handful of eggs over several hours.

In the end there are going to be excess eggs from Queen to have in storage.

It doesn't matter how many eggs the Queen produces - it can only make enough aliens according the number of hosts it has.

Aliens capture people and cocoon them anyway - so they could egg morph them instead, wouldn't be much different.

[Ballzanya]

what? And having a shitload of aliens overrun your town, slips under the radar?

Strategy of the Trojan Horse: Much harder to resist destruction when it comes from within your city limits.

The government is involved in this film, you see military generals in the trailer. They decide to nuke the town.

And you can bet they'll brag about bombing their own citizens.

Who would believe headlines involving alien parasites anyway? (crocodile boy saves santa..etc. lol, you know what i mean, the fake newspapers that have that sort of thing in them)

Yes, because no one watches news programs on TV, or checks the internet.  Now, what number of huggers has a higher probability of being discovered, two or fifty?

All the people searching for the hunter and his son, most likely go missing or end up dead. How does that not draw attention? So if they're killed by wolf and not facehugged, no suspicions arise?

Ah yes, because atrocious and mysterious mass-killings have never happened before in human history.  Certainly not in Predator continuity :p

You could have had a huge chunk of the search party find the crashed ship and the eggs and get facehugged. Then the aliens which came out of them could have hunted down others and brought to the remaining eggs to be hosts, while wolf tries to stop them and deals with the people shooting at him in the middle of it all.

Once again, I bring up the concept of the Trojan Horse.

yeah so many large cauterized shoulder cannon wounds revealing a huge hole in someone's chest could be confused with just a regular human psycho.
Or the skinned bodies strung up so high in the trees that a person would not be strong or agile enough to do so

[gameoverman]

Aliens - killed the idea of egg-morphing by having a Queen

So killed an idea that was not canonical to begin with.  The Queen filled a void left by the theatrical, and for a long time only cut of Alien.  She logically filled the void, too.

But that ruins the 'egg morphing to make Queens' idea.  If they could egg morph, why bother with the Queen?

No, it's perfect. Here's a theory...

All eggs are normal, so the first Alien born will always be a drone/worker/warrior, whatever you want to call it.
It assertains whether it is a lone Alien, and if so, egg-morphs its first victim into an egg with a Queen-carrying facehugger in it.  (That'd be Brett in the DC of Alien.)

Then when the Queen is born, she begins mass-producing eggs for any subsequent victims.  Egg-morphing is a waste, as it takes two people for every Alien.  Having an egg-layer means one Alien for every human.

Two points -

*Why was the alien egg morphing Dallas then?  Dallas could be used as a host.

*As SiL pointed out, that can morph dead people, so they could morph former hosts.  Therefore you get one egg per host until the hosts run out (minus one - the first person egg morphed).  

[Ballzanya]

Queen can poop out dozens of eggs in minutes.

A drone, a handful of eggs over several hours.

In the end there are going to be excess eggs from Queen to have in storage.

It doesn't matter how many eggs the Queen produces - it can only make enough aliens according the number of hosts it has.

Aliens capture people and cocoon them anyway - so they could egg morph them instead, wouldn't be much different.

the eggs can wait around for an indefinite amount of time for hosts however. So making a shitload is beneficial to the species. Just look at what happened in the first film. Who knows how much time passed before the nostromo crew found the derelict spacecraft.

[Xenomorphine]

That's because he's trying to get a reaction out of us because it amuses him...

"Dance, puppets! Dance!"

So why can't the 'barfing' just be an emergency method too?

Because there's nothing which prevented the Nostromo or Fury Aliens from doing it, yet they didn't. With the new ability, by rights, both should have been doing precisely that.

The combination of oral fux0ring and 'Queen-ing' now also renders egg transformation and natural Queens obselete. If this had been retained as purely a way to create ordinary Aliens and a single example of egging shown to obtain a Queen, as opposed to the Predalien getting bulkier and moulting, not only would we have had the best of both worlds, but we'd be praising the directors for keeping within the limits of established canon - just like they kept on promising to.

They probably felt they have, but don't seem to think the idea through to what consequences it would have for the other films.

Queens make more mathematical sense, host-wise, once one exists.

How?  If any alien can morph someone into an egg, and morph former-hosts of aliens - you have the same amount of hosts matched up with facehuggers that a Queen could produce. So why bother with all the trouble of having a Queen?

Who says expended, rotting cadavers would be of further use? As I pointed out earlier, this could be a primary reason why both Dallas and Brett were egged: Brett as an unknowing, failed experiment, Dallas as the real deal.

Seems to me that the creatures require a living host for the majority of whatever they need to do. Facehuggers would just kill you by suffocation, otherwise.

[gameoverman]

Queen can poop out dozens of eggs in minutes.

A drone, a handful of eggs over several hours.

In the end there are going to be excess eggs from Queen to have in storage.

It doesn't matter how many eggs the Queen produces - it can only make enough aliens according the number of hosts it has.

Aliens capture people and cocoon them anyway - so they could egg morph them instead, wouldn't be much different.

the eggs can wait around for an indefinite amount of time for hosts however. So making a shitload is beneficial to the species. Just look at what happened in the first film. Who knows how much time passed before the nostromo crew found the derelict spacecraft.

We don't know how long eggs live for.

And it's possible that the eggs Kane found were in a stasis field.

[Gates]

We don't know how long eggs live for.

And it's possible that the eggs Kane found were in a stasis field.

Oh no...not again...

[Uncanny Antman]

Two points -
*Why was the alien egg morphing Dallas then?  Dallas could be used as a host.
*As SiL pointed out, that can morph dead people, so they could morph former hosts.  Therefore you get one egg per host until the hosts run out (minus one - the first person egg morphed).  

Xeno's point is a good one...maybe the Brett-egg was a failed attempt, and Dallas was a more successful version.  Or if that's no good, Dallas could well be the intended victim for the Brett-egg's facehugger.  Sure, he looked like he was 'egg-ifying' but he was noticeably unaltered in the head 'n shoulders area.  It could have been a form of restraint not unlike the resin used in A2's hive.