In The News

Started by DoomRulz, Nov 30, 2012, 03:53:46 AM

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Huggs

Huggs

#15870
Vaccine hesitancy and its consequences are part of the news. While I see your point, I'd say Local's post was relevant, as it immediately followed the article about the guy in Texas. Which was indeed news and is thus a continuation of a particluar subject.

Baron Von Marlon

Baron Von Marlon

#15871
I'm not interested in all those individual cases that are only shown to prove some point.
It's propaganda, not real news, just stuff to divide us.
Elections, masks, vaccines,... Always something. And no ones here's gonna change their minds anyway.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#15872

Huggs

Huggs

#15873
95%.

Kind of speaks for itself.


Huggs

Huggs

#15875
The tragedy continues.

SiL

SiL

#15876
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 09, 2021, 01:05:22 AM
It's propaganda, not real news, just stuff to divide us.
Elections, masks, vaccines,... Always something.
People dying of an infectious disease that many refuse to believe exists/is a problem is not propaganda and the fact you think it is really encapsulates why everything's as f**ked as it is.

Immortan Jonesy

Immortan Jonesy

#15877
The anti-vaxxers may have the right to believe in whatever they want, but the problem is that they're selfish, irresponsible and dangerously irrational people that endanger others. After all, it's not like they are inhabiting a remote island, letting natural selection do its thing. Yes, I'm sorry I said that.

Baron Von Marlon

Baron Von Marlon

#15878
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2021, 02:51:21 AM
People dying of an infectious disease that many refuse to believe exists/is a problem is not propaganda and the fact you think it is really encapsulates why everything's as f**ked as it is.

Because that's what I said. Oh, wait, I didn't but you had to twist my words and to make it personal.
Keep on believing your mainstream media if that makes you happy.
Meanwhile you got an effective treatment that's being supressed, vaccinations causing mutations, that large part of hospitalised are vaccinated, Sweden doing alright with never imposing any lockdowns,...
You don't hear a lot about that do you?
But don't worry, your media certainly isn't biased and none of their material is propaganda to convince people to do or believe certain things.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 09, 2021, 03:32:19 AM
The anti-vaxxers may have the right to believe in whatever they want, but the problem is that they're selfish, irresponsible and dangerously irrational people that endanger others. After all, it's not like they are inhabiting a remote island, letting natural selection do its thing. Yes, I'm sorry I said that.

I see you have a lot of trust in the vaccine. Otherwise the unvaxed wouldn't be much a threat, no?

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#15879
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 09, 2021, 03:36:06 AMMeanwhile you got an effective treatment that's being supressed, vaccinations causing mutations, that large part of hospitalised are vaccinated, Sweden doing alright with never imposing any lockdowns,...

According to...?

Spoiler
This ought to be good.
[close]

SiL

SiL

#15880
Sweden got f**ked. Large numbers of people died, mostly vulnerable elderly, and their economy did no better than countries that locked down.

I am also looking forward to hearing what Baron's sources are.

And mutations ... ?

Baron Von Marlon

Baron Von Marlon

#15881
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2021, 04:10:25 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 09, 2021, 03:36:06 AMMeanwhile you got an effective treatment that's being supressed, vaccinations causing mutations, that large part of hospitalised are vaccinated, Sweden doing alright with never imposing any lockdowns,...

According to...?

Spoiler
This ought to be good.
[close]

Because CNN is good? A neutral, impartial, trustworthy news source?

"As you can see there are several fires set, places being burned down, but it's mostly peaceful"


Maajid Nawaz, founding chairman of Quilliam, a counter-extremism think tank
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1422544346616840201

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1422478512963924003

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1421504183501479946

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1421503145063206916

Martin Kulldorff: professor Harvard Medical School. Disease surveillance methods. Infectious disease outbreaks. Vaccine safety.
https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/status/1423630939222122496

https://twitter.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1423759528638750732

Masks forever!
https://twitter.com/TwitterMoments/status/1421226057856782336

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1421156015563759621

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 09, 2021, 01:05:22 AMAlways something. And no ones here's gonna change their minds anyway.

SiL

SiL

#15882
Thanks for providing sources! I look forward to going through them  :)

EDIT

Going through this, a lot of these claims seen to firstly miss the point about what the vaccine does.

You can still get infected and spread the disease. You are less likely it to have a severe case and or die. This has always been stated. It lowers the chances off getting the disease significantly, but is most effective at minimizing its effects. Minimizing symptoms in turn helps stop the spread.

The report about vaccinated people being infected more doesn't seem to mention behaviour - are vaccinated people simply taking more risks and being less strict than people who have had the disease itself? It also only talks about infections. Unvaccinated people are overwhelmingly the people ending up in hospital with severe or fatal cases, not vaccinated.

One double blind study does not prove the efficacy of the drug (it was only tested on moderate cases) but is promising. Many places are studying the drug but at the moment it only seems to lighten viral load, if anything. Obviously that's helpful, but it's better to prevent than cure. Unfortunately many of the studies have been dubious at best and it's not helping the cause.

Calling Sweden "mask free" is disingenuous: the government actually recommended masks in public transport by December. While they never locked down, they did initiate a variety of restrictions, such as banking alcohol sales after 8pm and limited seating in public. They also suffered significantly greater loss of life than their Scandinavian neighbours.

Again thank you for the sources, it's been some very interesting reading.

Baron Von Marlon

Baron Von Marlon

#15883
Thanks for a polite reply.

What search engine do you use btw?
Because I noticed there can be huge difference between the results of Google and Duck Duck Go.

Immortan Jonesy

Immortan Jonesy

#15884
I don't know if it will be the case with that search engine, but the regular google seems to offer the results in favor of popularity and not so much of reliability. For example, it's not the same to read about science breakthroughs through Daily Mail than through Nature, since in one you have a second-hand version adorned by a biased title..

(THE GOD'S PARTICLE HAS SOME REALLY BREATHTAKINGLY REVELATIONS, RESEARCHERS SAYS vs. Higgs boson implications and prospects for future discoveries)

..and content that doesn't always reflect the true nature of the discovery, and in the other you have a reliable content supported by per-review, thus avoiding unconscious bias, sensationalism and personal beliefs in pursuit of facts and verifiable peer evidence. 

Yes, popular science is necessary for all of us, but there is also bad popular science as well as with everything else, for example the trashy film journalism of We Got This Covered. And the news of the world contingency is not the exception.

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