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Author Topic: Fred Dekker On The Predator Fan Reception and The ...  (Read 16895 times)



matthewjn
Jan 08, 2019, 07:43:11 PM
Reply #152 on: Jan 08, 2019, 07:43:11 PM
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Sorry but a Pred movie without tense moments, even "scary" is tone deaf.  You spend all this time and detail on a CREATURE, yet you use him as an action hero. 

Real fans aren't saying it's NOT hard to make a movie, get it to the screen.  Real fans know it's hard to make a movie and the opportunities don't come around too often and don't want the opportunity wasted as it's been for 4 movies now!!!!

Don't brow beat us by saying "it's hard and there's no respect for the process" when the studio puts out 4 POS's.  At some point your gonna have an issue.  As well at some point your "married to the old formula-so-it-should-be-different" high-horse has to come into question. 

Hicks your whole "elements I liked, elements I didn't like" is part the of the problem.  Like an "element" aka 10 mins of a MOVIE doesn't prove "versatile". 

You want "versatile" "elements" you like, go read a comic or play a video game.  This pompus attitude has ruined the franchise and has kept fans at bay from an overall GOOD MOVIE in it's entirety for 4 films now!

Don't you know how hard it is to get these films made!!!

Oh wait.

LOL. I like how you're trying to point the finger at someone who is respectful like Hicks. If you truly have a problem with someone saying "elements I liked, elements I didn't like.", that's a problem you have to fix.

I don't know what kind of attitude do you prefer, but it doesn't seem like a very good one. Thankfully, decent people aren't really dealing with people like you anymore hence why they're speaking out more.

I'm sorry you took what I said so personal.

The common theme amongst this split fan base (and it is split) is "back to basics"- those who wanna see true sequals to Dutch and/or Harrigan, True slow burn-pacing R-rated, tense, one pred-hunter, stalking, hunting, killing for sport/fun, hiding in the shadows, one or two small details of expansion. 

Then there is the theme "versatile/expansion" etc.  This theme has proven to be far more disastrous and for four movies in a row has proven to fail.  "Expanding" on a Universe is fine for all things NOT film.  A film is 2 hours long, to expand on 12, or 8, or 4 different big ideas makes for a mess (ala the last 4 movies FOX has spit out). 

To STILL pretend, STILL....that everything is fine because there are "elements" fans liked (10 mins in a film here and there) as your justice and evidence that "expansion" works and is the better formula for this franchise is at this point a swing and a miss.  Not once, not twice, not three times, but 4 (and counting for that matter) "expansion" has failed those who preach it. I picked out Hicks for no other reason than he's top dog around here and many follow his voice and opinion.  And quite frankly it's been proven wrong at this point. 

There needs to be some mea-culpa's within this fan base that are fed plenty full their bellies with comic/video game/book "universe-expansion" but for no other reason than to consume some more- are willing to indulge themselves and be satisfied with "elements" (10 mins of seeing a Pred dog, or 4 mins of seeing inside the Pred ship, pred fighting an alien for 3 mins) at the sacrifice of a entire movie that is so hard to make in the first place.

"This person doesn't have the same opinion as me. They are obviously pretending." - You

Sorry, but there are people who don't want the Predator franchise to be like The Purge and Final Destination franchise - same thing each movie with very little changes.


Huggs
Jan 08, 2019, 07:59:14 PM
Reply #153 on: Jan 08, 2019, 07:59:14 PM
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Some franchises don't react well to change. Some just can't work at all outside of established boundaries.

Including Neomorphs and Deacons in an Alien film is one thing.

Changing the entire tone of a sci-fi horror based franchise film to that of an action comedy is an atrociously bad idea. And that bad idea should've been seen for what it obviously was, from the very beginning.


XenoHunter99
Jan 08, 2019, 08:03:33 PM
Reply #154 on: Jan 08, 2019, 08:03:33 PM
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There's a lot of possibility for growth and change within the franchises, but somebody needs to think through the execution of these things and come up with material that feels right.


whiterabbit
Jan 08, 2019, 09:21:40 PM
Reply #155 on: Jan 08, 2019, 09:21:40 PM
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Some franchises don't react well to change. Some just can't work at all outside of established boundaries.

Including Neomorphs and Deacons in an Alien film is one thing.

Changing the entire tone of a sci-fi horror based franchise film to that of an action comedy is an atrociously bad idea. And that bad idea should've been seen for what it obviously was, from the very beginning.
Actually, although Black did tell us this would be more comedy based did the trailers and advertising material sell that? I have to watch the trailers again but to me it seemed to say this was more of an action flick like the first one. I find a lot of times it is the marketing department that causes a movie to fail because they sell the audience the wrong interpretation of a film. The poster was correct though, we never saw this shit coming is right.


Huggs
Jan 08, 2019, 09:34:24 PM
Reply #156 on: Jan 08, 2019, 09:34:24 PM
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Some franchises don't react well to change. Some just can't work at all outside of established boundaries.

Including Neomorphs and Deacons in an Alien film is one thing.

Changing the entire tone of a sci-fi horror based franchise film to that of an action comedy is an atrociously bad idea. And that bad idea should've been seen for what it obviously was, from the very beginning.
Actually, although Black did tell us this would be more comedy based did the trailers and advertising material sell that? I have to watch the trailers again but to me it seemed to say this was more of an action flick like the first one. I find a lot of times it is the marketing department that causes a movie to fail because they sell the audience the wrong interpretation of a film. The poster was correct though, we never saw this shit coming is right.

I suddenly feel so bad for the Chinese viewers.


Wysps
Jan 09, 2019, 03:12:57 AM
Reply #157 on: Jan 09, 2019, 03:12:57 AM
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Some franchises don't react well to change. Some just can't work at all outside of established boundaries.

Including Neomorphs and Deacons in an Alien film is one thing.

Changing the entire tone of a sci-fi horror based franchise film to that of an action comedy is an atrociously bad idea. And that bad idea should've been seen for what it obviously was, from the very beginning.
Actually, although Black did tell us this would be more comedy based did the trailers and advertising material sell that? I have to watch the trailers again but to me it seemed to say this was more of an action flick like the first one. I find a lot of times it is the marketing department that causes a movie to fail because they sell the audience the wrong interpretation of a film. The poster was correct though, we never saw this shit coming is right.

Well, one of the purposes of the reshoots was to make the film darker in both look and tone.  You know, the whole changing from day to night to keep that element of horror and suspense.  Perhaps they thought that making those (significant) cosmetic changes would be enough to compensate for the jokes/lighthearted scenes.  He seemed kind of forthright during the reshoot ordeal about him trying to take a step back and make it less comedic.  In that regard, I think it was the commercials that sort of confused the audience as far as what to expect. 


whiterabbit
Jan 09, 2019, 03:18:00 AM
Reply #158 on: Jan 09, 2019, 03:18:00 AM
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Yea, the reshoots might have messed up the marketing. However those reshoots... is it possible that the rips and newt endings were the original planned ending and did they run those for the test audiences?


matthewjn
Jan 09, 2019, 03:35:52 AM
Reply #159 on: Jan 09, 2019, 03:35:52 AM
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Some franchises don't react well to change. Some just can't work at all outside of established boundaries.

Including Neomorphs and Deacons in an Alien film is one thing.

Changing the entire tone of a sci-fi horror based franchise film to that of an action comedy is an atrociously bad idea. And that bad idea should've been seen for what it obviously was, from the very beginning.
Actually, although Black did tell us this would be more comedy based did the trailers and advertising material sell that? I have to watch the trailers again but to me it seemed to say this was more of an action flick like the first one. I find a lot of times it is the marketing department that causes a movie to fail because they sell the audience the wrong interpretation of a film. The poster was correct though, we never saw this shit coming is right.
The final trailer and some TV spots advertised the movie to be more action/comedy while the rest had a more serious tone.


whiterabbit
Jan 09, 2019, 06:59:52 AM
Reply #160 on: Jan 09, 2019, 06:59:52 AM
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Some franchises don't react well to change. Some just can't work at all outside of established boundaries.

Including Neomorphs and Deacons in an Alien film is one thing.

Changing the entire tone of a sci-fi horror based franchise film to that of an action comedy is an atrociously bad idea. And that bad idea should've been seen for what it obviously was, from the very beginning.
Actually, although Black did tell us this would be more comedy based did the trailers and advertising material sell that? I have to watch the trailers again but to me it seemed to say this was more of an action flick like the first one. I find a lot of times it is the marketing department that causes a movie to fail because they sell the audience the wrong interpretation of a film. The poster was correct though, we never saw this shit coming is right.
The final trailer and some TV spots advertised the movie to be more action/comedy while the rest had a more serious tone.
That does make sense, in that I avoided all the trailers aside from the first. Which is obviously why I didn't remember the marketing spin but the trailer I remember showed an action packed serious movie. Something sure did changed after that.


skull-splitter
Jan 09, 2019, 12:10:13 PM
Reply #161 on: Jan 09, 2019, 12:10:13 PM
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Star Wars is terrible when it comes to toxic fans

Go have a peek at the reaction to Alien Blackout...
Which is aimed at mobile games, not the franchise per say.

Yeah.  Sure it is.  :laugh:
Article on PC gamer on a wishlist for a Isolation 2, header: not being a mobile game.

I'm pretty sure it will be impressive and even entertaining, it's just less immersive than being to able to play in more freedom. Of course you could stream video and audio to solve the part of the big screen and inferior audio, but I'm sure people feel like they have been robbed of 2 decent titles out of three about 5-9 years ago...


AhabPredator
Jan 09, 2019, 01:51:27 PM
Reply #162 on: Jan 09, 2019, 01:51:27 PM
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Star Wars is terrible when it comes to toxic fans

Go have a peek at the reaction to Alien Blackout...
Which is aimed at mobile games, not the franchise per say.

Yeah.  Sure it is.  :laugh:
Article on PC gamer on a wishlist for a Isolation 2, header: not being a mobile game.

I'm pretty sure it will be impressive and even entertaining, it's just less immersive than being to able to play in more freedom. Of course you could stream video and audio to solve the part of the big screen and inferior audio, but I'm sure people feel like they have been robbed of 2 decent titles out of three about 5-9 years ago...

$4.99 for a game with microtransactions and something like 6 levels.

They are tone deaf to the fanbase.

/nope


Corporal Hicks
Jan 09, 2019, 01:54:07 PM
Reply #163 on: Jan 09, 2019, 01:54:07 PM
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Granted I haven't played it yet but from a quick Google, it doesn't look like Five Nights at Freddy's (which is what people are saying this is like) doesn't seem to have micro-transactions so I'm not expecting this one to.


AhabPredator
Jan 09, 2019, 03:44:12 PM
Reply #164 on: Jan 09, 2019, 03:44:12 PM
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Granted I haven't played it yet but from a quick Google, it doesn't look like Five Nights at Freddy's (which is what people are saying this is like) doesn't seem to have micro-transactions so I'm not expecting this one to.

It's still an inferior follow up no matter what damage control you do for it.

Let me put it in perspective. Say we had a great movie that did fantastic, right? Had all the right plot points, characters, and special effects, etc. Now imagine the sequel was a 2 minute short clip that was done in a much more inferior style.

Also...they will be doing an MMO shooter. With that comes microtransactions guaranteed. Same goes for most mobile games.

How do you think the response would be?

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