You only need to look at the generic nature of the multitude of Alien 3 scripts to realize this was an terrible idea. Every nonripley script released was WAY below subpar. Gibson's was the only one with any sort of interesting ideas at all.
You mean a script that was actually written
had some interesting ideas? Seemed like a good start. Walter Hill hiimself has said the Alien 3 script by himself was no good, the whole thing a 'complete f**king mess'.
Never said once she redeemed them. At the end of the day they are still child molesters. Ripley is the one that does the sacrifice.
Then the entire tunnel sequence depicting the individual fates of the prisoners was a massive waste of time.
Given no sane choice to remain alive? I guess parents that lose kids to vehicle accidents should just commit suicide because they have no reason to remain alive either? Not everybody has such a pussweak disposition towards death when the going gets tough.
Entire family, biological or adopted dead [suffered twice], Earthly prospects wiped out. A lot of people do kill themselves over these things. Your example of a parent losing a child or children is pretty pussweak. Wipe out their entire family and every friend they can count twice
I also laugh at the notion that the check brought Ripley back. The check also brought Ripley back for Aliens. To look at one and not the other in this notion is completely biased toward a pro aliens slant. Cameron wrote her in so she could continue the story of the first and was worried that Fox wouldn't be able to meet her demands for pay. The EXACT same reasons she joined, and the EXACT same reasons her character was written, was used for BOTH movies.'I didn't want to do Aliens just to make money for 20th Century FOX ... I didn't want to do a sequel unless we all felt that there was something else that needed said about it.'
'The impetus for the third film was primarily the huge success of Aliens.'
Says the man who co-wrote
the movie: Everyone wanted to make the sequel to Aliens, kinda except us.
No idea where how you come up with your last conclusion there. Ripley was in Aliens because Cameron wrote her into it, when FOX demanded a Ripley-less script after Weaver's asking price, Cameron refused to do so. With Alien 3, Ripley was in because Joe Roth demanded it. Weaver has always said how wary she was of Aliens until she read the script, and how she was reluctant to do Alien 3 because her character had been explored enough. Not hard to deduce that her sudden 180 on the matter was influence with her pay-or-play contract, co-producer credit, etc.
Likewise you probably understand in hollywood your suppossed to turn a profit. Arthouse direction is nice, but they work on only a fraction of the budget. Your in it to make money. ALL parties from ALL teams involved with the franchise. Including mighty Cameron.'If Jim Cameron hadn't fallen in love with something about Alien, then a sequel wouldn't have been made. No one really wanted to touch it ... Luckily, Jim wanted to make his own movie.'
Sigourney Weaver.'I'd always had this naive idea that everybody wants to make movies as good as they can be, which is stupid. So I learned on this movie [Alien 3] that nobody really knows, so therefore no one has to care, so it's always going to be your fault. I'd always thought, "Well, surely you don't want to have the Twentieth Century Fox logo over a shitty movie." And they were like, "Well, as long as it opens."'
In the first case, FOX didn't really care all too much. During Aliens' development, most of their eggs were in another basket [Space Camp]. Then Aliens hit big. In the second, they cared too much and pushed for a sequel and, as Fincher says, it affected the entire movie.'There are people, who shall remain nameless, that I was bumping into as I was trying to put this thing [Alien 3] together who put the whole experience into a really interesting perspective. They would say, "Look, you could have somebody piss against the wall for two hours and call it Alien 3 and it would still do 30 million dollars worth of business." That's the impetus to make these movies, you can't keep the people away.'
Thats weak man.
What purpose did characters like Spunkmeir, Crowe and Weirzbowski have in Aliens? They were there as essentially plot pieces to further the action. Alien 3 did have alot more. But generic characters put on board script for death isn't used first in Alien 3.
How much screentime did these Aliens characters actually have
? The Alien 3 prisoners dominate an entire movie
How was she bullied? She's the one in charge. Even super prisoner badass Dillon leaves leadership to her. She works with them because they are the only option she has to stop the Alien and the Company from obtaining it.
If Ripley had her way, she would have died immediately after discovering she was impregnated. Dillon roughs her up and makes her agree to killing the Alien first. She's his tool, that's all. Dillon cares about killing the creature, not euthanising Ripley, and vice versa, it seems. We see this when Dillon stays behind in the lead works. Later, the Company don't hide the fact very well that they're after the Alien and may dispose of Ripley regardless of getting the Alien or not. Her entire family and every person she has met in her life is dead, either naturally or slaughtered, and she's spent the last 20 minutes of the film feeling the pangs of 'birth'. Plunging herself into the lead was almost easy.
Using Lance Henrickson as a reference to this movies is a little bit like using Dan O'bannon or David Fincher. Henrickson has been involved with several terrible iterations with the Alien franchise. Starting with AvP and finishing with the AvP2010 game. He can say what he wants to about the terrible direction they took the Ripley character in, but he continues to join multiple halfassed projects involving the Alien mythos.
Don't care what he's been involved in, other than he was involved with movie in question. Resorting to a near ad hominem
is bad argument.
Likewise for every objective comment you get from O'bannon or Fincher, you get twelve more comments aimed at the Giler/Hill or the studio involvement that you can no longer say they give a nonslanted opinion towards the films that they were involved in.