Posted by PsyKore
- Sep 12, 2018, 12:55:37 AMThe failure, I think, comes from the studio over-reaching, expecting bigger amounts of money from a niche, horror-based franchise that cannot compete against other franchises in the current market. There's nothing intrinsically bad about Prometheus or Covenant, most people liked them (don't believe the personally offended people on the internet that bag these movies), but this franchise just doesn't pull the numbers required that would make them hugely "successful," i.e. wading in cash.
The latest 'Iron Man Pred Tech suit' thingy from The Predator really shows a desperate attempt by Fox to appeal to wider audience, but I think this is the wrong way of doing it.
I think they really have no choice but to produce lower budgeted and more intimate movies, as difficult as that might be, and then profit from that. Another avenue that would benefit them would be a Netflix series of some sort, showing side-quels, or even if it was to have a show based on something from the EU.
The latest 'Iron Man Pred Tech suit' thingy from The Predator really shows a desperate attempt by Fox to appeal to wider audience, but I think this is the wrong way of doing it.
I think they really have no choice but to produce lower budgeted and more intimate movies, as difficult as that might be, and then profit from that. Another avenue that would benefit them would be a Netflix series of some sort, showing side-quels, or even if it was to have a show based on something from the EU.
Posted by Samhain13
- Sep 10, 2018, 04:51:56 PMThe movies don't seem to be working in these franchises, its just not doing it anymore, both for fans and the general audience. Sure there are a few things everyone can enjoy in any of the movies but overall the sucess of the franchises decreased way too much. So much they are going desperate and resorting to things unrelated to the genre and main focus on what each franchise is suppose to be about like Wysps said.
The series should use its expanded universe as a way to continue, improve and bring back the audience's interest. The novels reception must have been pretty good over the last years, otherwise they wouldn't kept doing so many novels lately. On the games ACM was what it was, but AVP2010 became Sega's fastest on selling title on 2010.
Isolation gained a cult status as it became a lone old school hardcore survival horror gem in the age of dlc and pay-to-win gaming, and was praised on how well it captured ALIEN's atmosphere. IGN trashed the game on how hard it was in its review then made a video pretty much apologizing due to the gamers' backlash over that. The game got really popular on youtube as the jump scary factor made a lot of people do Let's Play.
The series can benefit a lot from a new game for the new console generation. The interest on the moveis has decreased but not on the other stuff.
The series should use its expanded universe as a way to continue, improve and bring back the audience's interest. The novels reception must have been pretty good over the last years, otherwise they wouldn't kept doing so many novels lately. On the games ACM was what it was, but AVP2010 became Sega's fastest on selling title on 2010.
Isolation gained a cult status as it became a lone old school hardcore survival horror gem in the age of dlc and pay-to-win gaming, and was praised on how well it captured ALIEN's atmosphere. IGN trashed the game on how hard it was in its review then made a video pretty much apologizing due to the gamers' backlash over that. The game got really popular on youtube as the jump scary factor made a lot of people do Let's Play.
The series can benefit a lot from a new game for the new console generation. The interest on the moveis has decreased but not on the other stuff.
Posted by Wysps
- Sep 10, 2018, 04:14:37 PMQuote from: Kelgaard on Sep 10, 2018, 01:30:50 PMQuoteand Covenant barely made money because they stuck Alien on the label and forced Ridley to put a alien in it.
I don't know, but I'd guess that the Alien hurt Covenant more than it helped, and that its absence was a big factor in the success of Prometheus. I never see anyone outside the fandom getting excited over another Alien or Predator movie. The brand seems worn out to me.
Which might be the reason why they're trying to inject ancient space astronaut and superhero type elements into these new movies. It might be a conscious bid to invite non-fans or apathetic movie goers to the franchise. Because you do have a point - it seems like the people that are truly excited at this point are those within the fandom. We need more people
Kind of reassuring - those outside of the fandom might not care as much about janky plot points and be solely interested in the action/violence, which apparently is an incredible asset to the movie.
Still think a brief respit for the series is in order. A momentary period to hit the drawing board.
Posted by JokersWarPig
- Sep 10, 2018, 04:10:30 PMI think the they could benefit a lot from going the limited series route in the future, Aliens especially.
Posted by Samhain13
- Sep 10, 2018, 03:40:25 PMQuote from: Kelgaard on Sep 10, 2018, 01:30:50 PM
I don't know, but I'd guess that the Alien hurt Covenant more than it helped, and that its absence was a big factor in the success of Prometheus. I never see anyone outside the fandom getting excited over another Alien or Predator movie. The brand seems worn out to me.
The avp movies kind of took away the status the brand had in the 80s and 90s. The absence of aliens on Prometheus bothered me because the alien franchise was highjacked and turned into an ancient astronauts pseudoscience propaganda movie with some christian bias as well. So bringing back aliens on Covenant did sound like a good idea at first.
Posted by Kel G 426
- Sep 10, 2018, 01:30:50 PMQuoteand Covenant barely made money because they stuck Alien on the label and forced Ridley to put a alien in it.
I don't know, but I'd guess that the Alien hurt Covenant more than it helped, and that its absence was a big factor in the success of Prometheus. I never see anyone outside the fandom getting excited over another Alien or Predator movie. The brand seems worn out to me.
Posted by Corporal Hicks
- Sep 10, 2018, 07:23:02 AMIt pains me but I don't imagine The Predator is going to done that well so I think we're going to end up with another hiatus. But realistically it's all going to depend on the Disney buy-out and what they do with the properties.
Posted by chrisr232007
- Sep 09, 2018, 06:54:14 PMQuote from: The Old One on Sep 09, 2018, 06:26:01 PM
If nothing else you've got Tongal Alien 40th Anniversary short films to look forward to and all this uocoming media:
Alien Isolation Novelisation,
Aliens Dust To Dust,
William Gibson's ALIEN 3
& Cold Iron Forge's Alien.
Which is great and with Disney taking over I can see them just investing in anything other then big budget movies.
Posted by The Old One
- Sep 09, 2018, 06:26:01 PMIf nothing else you've got Tongal Alien 40th Anniversary short films to look forward to and all this upcoming media:
Alien Isolation Novelisation,
Aliens Dust To Dust,
William Gibson's ALIEN 3
& Cold Iron Forge's Alien.
Alien Isolation Novelisation,
Aliens Dust To Dust,
William Gibson's ALIEN 3
& Cold Iron Forge's Alien.
Posted by Wweyland
- Sep 09, 2018, 05:27:09 PMThere will be a hiatus but this is not the end.
Posted by chrisr232007
- Sep 08, 2018, 09:16:20 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 08, 2018, 09:11:57 PM
The main thing holding stuff up at the moment is the Disney purchase. Once that's sorted we're more likely to hear solid news about where they're going.
True....kinda sucks not knowing what the future holds for my second and third favourite franchises (Godzilla will always be number one for me
)Posted by SM
- Sep 08, 2018, 09:11:57 PMThe main thing holding stuff up at the moment is the Disney purchase. Once that's sorted we're more likely to hear solid news about where they're going.
Posted by chrisr232007
- Sep 08, 2018, 09:05:31 PMQuote from: SiL on Sep 08, 2018, 08:41:45 PM
The longest we've gone without an Alien related movie since 1979 is 7 years. Prometheus made almost half a billion dollars. Covenant under performed but they're still discussing a sequel.
Prometheus made i think barely made 400 million around the world on a 130 million budget while Covenant made 240 million around the world on a 100 million budget. With that said Prometheus only made that money because it was Ridley's big return to sci-fi and Covenant barely made money because they stuck Alien on the label and forced Ridley to put a alien in it. I doubt a third gets made seeing Ridley has lost his touch and believes the alien is done plus Disney is taking over. As for Predators movies well if The Predator fails then we can forget seeing another Predator movie for awhile. I love both Alien and Predator but Fox has run each into the ground and each has lost what made them special in the first place. Their best bet for not getting shelved is to be sold to a new studio once Disney takes over (Which Disney may not sell them off instead keep the rights due to what they can make off the comics, merchandise, and re'releases of the previous movies) if not then it will be many years before we see any type of movie from either of them.
Posted by SM
- Sep 08, 2018, 09:01:39 PMQuoteIs the end near for our beloved Alien and Predator movie franchises?
No.
Posted by SiL
- Sep 08, 2018, 08:41:45 PMThe longest we've gone without an Alien related movie since 1979 is 7 years. Prometheus made almost half a billion dollars. Covenant under performed but they're still discussing a sequel.
